Avoiding Entrapment

[BadBoy]

You think you were bummed, think about how pissed the young lady was when you booked an appointment and drove off on her.  No wonder we get so many NCNS complaints from the ladies.

[Happymon]

4 hours ago, MoneyTeam said:

4 hours ago, MoneyTeam said:

 Pretty sure that guy was a weirdo with a mental disability or something and it was all just a coincidence, but im not taking that chance no matter how hot she was.  Just a little bummed i couldnt see her.  

 

 

I see electric trains, serious duplicate bridge or raising Siamese fighting fish in your hobby future.

 

 

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Edited April 29, 2016 by Happymon

[MoneyTeam]

17 hours ago, Badboy said:

You think you were bummed, think about how pissed the young lady was when you booked an appointment and drove off on her.  No wonder we get so many NCNS complaints from the ladies.

Actually she said she understood, and told me she probably would have done the same.  

[RoxyLove303]

Never talk or agree about any specific act. Once you agree to any illegal act, even by phone or text, then you are already in violation. I would say do your research. Make sure that the provider is legitimate. I would say if you see someone you want to see then watch her ad for a while. LE usually does their thing in a day or two and then it's over. So chances are that if you are seeing her post for a few weeks, chances are she is legit. Also reviews are a great way to know if she is real, and what you are getting. There are other verification and screening websites that are available to assist you in screening her as well. Hope this helps!  

[Real Colorado Guy]

Reviews & a lot of research. 

 

Something that hat puts me at ease is if she starts to get naked. I'm under the impression that le can't get naked. Thoughts or am I incorrect?

[BadBoy]

Why do some folks (usually newbies) try to make this so difficult?  There must have been 1,000 threads on how to avoid getting busted by LE, and it always boils down to a couple of simple principles:

1.   Cops don't just surveil girls hoping to bust an escort and her john in the act.  It just doesn't work that way.  To end up with an arrest, one of the parties (escort or John) has to be LE.

2.   To avoid the above, if you are a John, all you have to do is make sure that the lady is not LE.  Therefore, don't ever, under any circumstances, ever see a lady that doesn't have a bunch of positive reviews.  Let some other dumb guy with nothing to lose TOFTT and be the first reviewer.  Callous, yes, but I have a lot to lose.

3.  To avoid the above, if your are an escort, all you have to do is make sure that the John is not LE.  Therefore, don't ever, under any circumstances, ever see a John that doesn't have a bunch of positive references from other providers or OKs on P411.  Let some other dumb lady with nothing to lose be the John's first encounter.  Callous, yes, but you too have a lot to lose.

4.  Folks, that is all there is to it.  It has been said thousands of times.  Why do you want to make it so difficult?

[Guest]

32 minutes ago, Badboy said:

Therefore, don't ever, under any circumstances, ever see a lady that doesn't have a bunch of positive reviews.  Let some other dumb guy with nothing to lose TOFTT and be the first reviewer. 

There are many excellent providers that do not allow reviews. If fact, I am noticing more and more quality ladies not taking new reviews, or having all their reviews removed. Lack of reviews does not mean bad service or LE. Just like a gentleman with no references, means he is a bad guy or LE.

[Bit Banger]

50 minutes ago, Badboy said:

Why do some folks (usually newbies) try to make this so difficult?  There must have been 1,000 threads on how to avoid getting busted by LE, and it always boils down to a couple of simple principles:

1.   Cops don't just surveil girls hoping to bust an escort and her john in the act.  It just doesn't work that way.  To end up with an arrest, one of the parties (escort or John) has to be LE.

2.   To avoid the above, if you are a John, all you have to do is make sure that the lady is not LE.  Therefore, don't ever, under any circumstances, ever see a lady that doesn't have a bunch of positive reviews.  Let some other dumb guy with nothing to lose TOFTT and be the first reviewer.  Callous, yes, but I have a lot to lose.

3.  To avoid the above, if your are an escort, all you have to do is make sure that the John is not LE.  Therefore, don't ever, under any circumstances, ever see a John that doesn't have a bunch of positive references from other providers or OKs on P411.  Let some other dumb lady with nothing to lose be the John's first encounter.  Callous, yes, but you too have a lot to lose.

4.  Folks, that is all there is to it.  It has been said thousands of times.  Why do you want to make it so difficult?

1) While LE doesn't do blind stake-outs on the gals, if the hotel makes a complaint, the cops may pay a visit.  If they do, KEEP YOUR D**M MOUTH shut!!! They don't really have anything until you admit to prostitution.

2 & 3) There are other ways to verify both providers and clients.

4) Check Perkel's guides

[BadBoy]

Kashmir and Bit Banger are both entirely correct - there are lots of ways to enjoy this sport and I was in no way trying to indicate that my suggestions were the best way to approach the sport.  In fact, my all-time, and to-this-day ATF also does not allow reviews, etc., and is so UTR that you would have a hard time checking her out if you somehow found out about her.

My point is that if your primary goal is to avoid LE entrapment, my guidelines are pretty close to 100% foolproof (and being literally foolproof is important).  Will the Johns miss out on some great ladies because those ladies don't allow reviews" Yep.  Will the ladies miss out on some OK guys because they don't have any references or OKs, (unless you have some alternative screening method that is pretty bulletproof, which I guess some of the ladies do)? Yep. That would be the price you pay to be entirely secure that LE won't ever pick you up.

Like Bit said, if for some reason a LEO does knock on the door, as long as both of you insist that you are just a couple of fun-loving adults engaging in consensual activities and there is no money involved (which is, of course, the absolute truth since any money is strictly for time and companionship), they cannot proceed.  Hopefully by the time one of you answers the door the little guy has been put away.  They won't break down the door.

[Mr.Pink]

if you get busted, you get busted, it's not the end of the world. why live in fear? just stay out of lakewood and you should do just fine.

[Bit Banger]

9 hours ago, Mr.Pink said:

if you get busted, you get busted, it's not the end of the world. why live in fear? just stay out of lakewood and you should do just fine.

Really??? /s

1) For some getting busted for prostitution related charges would be world shattering. Marital strife, divorce, loss of dependents, loss of job, loss of support network, the list goes on. 

2) Stay out of Lakewood! And Ft. Collins. And ... There are lots of jurisdictions cracking down on prostitution. I recall someone saying a few years ago (about the time Amendment 64 passed) that all those vice cops were going to have to find something else to justify their existence. 

Not trying to sow FUD, but neither can we get all Pollyanna about the risks, which vary for each individual.

[Guest]

26 minutes ago, Bit Banger said:

Really??? /s

1) For some getting busted for prostitution related charges would be world shattering. Marital strife, divorce, loss of dependents, loss of job, loss of support network, the list goes on. 

2) Stay out of Lakewood! And Ft. Collins. And ... There are lots of jurisdictions cracking down on prostitution. I recall someone saying a few years ago (about the time Amendment 64 passed) that all those vice cops were going to have to find something else to justify their existence. 

Not trying to sow FUD, but neither can we get all Pollyanna about the risks, which vary for each individual.

While I agree with your comments about the potential severity of a bust, (It would end life-as-I-know-it for me), the comments like "stay out of Lakewood or Fort Collins" should be taken as general admonitions to be on your 'A' game with regards to screening when hobbying in those jurisdictions, not an outright travel restriction.

 

In fact, I've been professionaly-laid in Lakewood, Thornton, Ft. Collins, Loveland; all the danger spots where the "boys in blue won't let you screw."  Look, just be aware of more aggressive sting tactics and plan accordingly.  Pay attention to the news reports of where the busts are happening and don't give any business to those locations.

Most importantly, if you screen properly and/or SEE WELL REVIEWED AND RESPECTED PROVIDERS, you'd be safe going to an incall located at the county jail.

 

(NOTE TO THE LITERAL: exaggeration used to make a point.)

[Guest]

24 minutes ago, Bit Banger said:

Really??? /s

1) For some getting busted for prostitution related charges would be world shattering. Marital strife, divorce, loss of dependents, loss of job, loss of support network, the list goes on. 

2) Stay out of Lakewood! And Ft. Collins. And ... There are lots of jurisdictions cracking down on prostitution. I recall someone saying a few years ago (about the time Amendment 64 passed) that all those vice cops were going to have to find something else to justify their existence. 

Not trying to sow FUD, but neither can we get all Pollyanna about the risks, which vary for each individual.

Would you? Could you? Please stop saying any one city is worse than another for busts! Those two cities just simply have less to write about in the news. Each city along the front range makes the news for busts starting every year around "National Day of Johns". They work their way up and down the I25 corridor each year setting up stings. Agreed, that there are hot spots for busts. They are usually targeted not because of city, but because it is where travelers and truck drivers stop to rest and usually have time to play. Knowing that DTC has the highest percentage of escorts in Colorado, that area will have its day to.

It doesn't matter what city you hobby in, you should always be mindful of LE.

 

[Bit Banger]

Laplace, Kashmir, I totally agree with your assessment that we need to be vigilant in ALL AREAS, not just Lakewood or Ft.Collins. Hence my "And ..."  I have enjoyed  good times in both municipalities I used them as examples because of recent publicity. Perhaps I needed more '/s' in my post.😏

[Happymon]

14 hours ago, Mr.Pink said:

if you get busted, you get busted, it's not the end of the world. why live in fear? just stay out of lakewood and you should do just fine.

You're kidding, right? I'm not terrified of driving, but I generally check the gas gauge before pulling out of the garage and don't ever drive with my eyes closed. I willing spend an ungodly amount of time in areas frequented by apex predators.  I don't rub bacon fat on myself before heading out in Montana  nor do I clean my catch hanging off the boat transom.  Now, as far as "stay out of Lakewood and you'll be fine?  I concur!  They've abandoned LE and replaced them with social workers and trauma counselors in the remainder of the metro area. 

[BadLeroyBrown]

On 5/1/2016 at 10:26 PM, Mr.Pink said:

if you get busted, you get busted, it's not the end of the world. why live in fear? just stay out of lakewood and you should do just fine.

Busted would most definitely be the end of some people's worlds. They photograph Johns and post the picture on the TV, I don't know anyone who needs that sort of publicity. 

[Demi-1616]

On 4/27/2016 at 8:06 AM, BadLeroyBrown said:

Lucy, have you ever run into the counterfeit money issue I mentioned in a previous post?

Haha, here soon ladies will be carrying around pens to check it with. I've never heard of such a thing happening, although caution is always taken to avoid counterfeit. 

[BadLeroyBrown]

2 hours ago, Demi-1616 said:

Haha, here soon ladies will be carrying around pens to check it with. I've never heard of such a thing happening, although caution is always taken to avoid counterfeit. 

I once knew a kid who tried a dub sack of LG, using a 1 dollar bill, with the cut off end of a twenty dollar bill taped to the end of it. Needless to say the dealer once he realized he had been burned was very angry. I think what basically passed the the money off was the way he Palmer the bill at first and then just handed it off. 

[BadLeroyBrown]

2 hours ago, Hot Violet said:

not to make everyone's paranoia even worse, but cops do not have to tell you if they're a cop when you ask, also they can see you numerous times ( and they get hazard pay for it!), also the person you are seeing could just be an informant... yup! sorry, just consult your attorney for any legal advice on how to evade an incrimination! 

Damn... and then the rain clouds rolled out! Thanks for the advice, lol! No certainty in this business is there. Seeing a lady is like the stock market, highs and lows galore.

[BadLeroyBrown]

2 hours ago, Hot Violet said:

not to make everyone's paranoia even worse, but cops do not have to tell you if they're a cop when you ask, also they can see you numerous times ( and they get hazard pay for it!), also the person you are seeing could just be an informant... yup! sorry, just consult your attorney for any legal advice on how to evade an incrimination! 

Damn... and then the rain clouds rolled out! Thanks for the advice, lol! No certainty in this business is there. Seeing a lady is like the stock market, highs and lows galore.

[Demi-1616]

Considering the state of affairs in our government these days, I wouldn't say that there is any for sure way to avoid entrapment (or anything else for that matter). Best thing to do is be ready to invest in an attorney & above all, avoid getting into trouble, instead of out of it. 

[maxvicious1]

It all adds up to one conclusion for me , "If you want to see the monkey dance you gotta pay the piper" lol

Be careful out there , and do your damn home work chances are you'll be fine 

 Peace out   Max V

[maxvicious1]

one more thing , Stay away from Westwords Bustpage (Backpage) your chances of changing your name to "john" will decrease a lot. 

[AnaBeau]

 So I'm sorry if I am reiterating any of the comments that I've already been stated. However,  everybody can look into a case in Glendale.  2007 or 2008.  The head of the Glendale police was recording girls, until the time they were going to engage in other things.  At that time the recorder got turned off. It took SEVEN years for those girls records to get cleared. SEVEN years  for the DA to decide that it was completely unlawful and obviously abuse of power.  As for looking up LE phone numbers. Guys cops aren't stupid!   they're going to use a phone number Google lists as LE....they are individuals trained to do this.  Reviews are great. They're helpful. Just always trust your gut.   Just my thoughts as always... kisses all

[The Wise Old Owl]

If you want to avoid entrapment, stay away from the traps. If you want to avoid ensnarement, stay away from the snares. Ask an wild animal...if you don't want to get caught, don't engage in risky behaviour. The smart animals avoid the danger and stay alive...

The Wise Old Owl

They don't call me wise for nuthin'

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[Kae Marie]

Simply one more reason Europe isn't too shabby 😅

[Kali Sensual Reiki]

On 4/30/2016 at 10:26 PM, Mr.Pink said:

if you get busted, you get busted, it's not the end of the world. why live in fear? just stay out of lakewood and you should do just fine.

LOL your's truly is here in Lakewood! more than safe too! [snip] So, go figure on that one! What is the freaking story with Lakewood anyway? I've been off and on a provider since long before many of you had sexual urges in life. And yes I've done all my provider work here in Lakewood to boot! 

Edited July 19, 2016 by Kaduk
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[Kali Sensual Reiki]

Creepy story! Reminds me of Jeff's post. I think I would have a hard time meeting providers at a hotel. Another thing I see mostly Toyota's on the road. It's always interesting the information you take into veiw when you're feeling  uneasy!  MB

[Kyla Young]

On May 6, 2016 at 5:15 AM, Demi-1616 said:

Haha, here soon ladies will be carrying around pens to check it with. I've never heard of such a thing happening, although caution is always taken to avoid counterfeit. 

Yes counterfeit money has gone around. Back a few years ago one of my close provider friends got some and showed it to me. Was a good reproduction and in a dimly lit room passable. She was out several hundred bucks. Of course did the whole warning to other providers but the damage was done. Also it gets reported quite frequently on some of the national EOB's and warning places. So it does happen more often than you would think.

[synoches]

I just quickly skimmed through the discussion so far so I'll just add my 2 cents to the original topic.  

From the customer's perspective, it's easier for us than it is for the providers.  If you are expected to start talking about what you want to do before actually engaging in sexual behavior of some kind, it's not a good sign and I'd look at leaving, ideally with money back in hand.  My expectation going into a session is to set money down and start getting mutually naked and fondling things.  See, you paid for her time and company and all this other stuff just "happened" because of mutual chemistry or whatever you want to call it.  It's extremely unlikely for a female officer to actually get body to body naked with you before trying to incriminate you.  At that point, you're pretty safe to start blabbing about what you'd like her to do for you.  For the ladies, stories abound that this is much harder.  Male officers, naturally always there to take one for the team, have been known to go full-session and then reveal themselves.  It's been documented and debated in news stories enough times.  The drawback to this for us guys is that we don't always know if we're going to get what we want.  Personally, I tend to want UTF and MSOG (on hour sessions) but if going to someone not heavily reviewed, then I have to find out after paying if I'm going to get what I really want.  Still, better than the possible alternative.

As for checking reviews, check to see how many reviews the authors have written and over how much time.  One provider with 11 reviews by first or second time reviewers sounds a lot fishier to me than another with 5 reviews but 2 of them were written by guys who have been doing this for the past 4 years.