"Condoms are a must, unless you pay a healthy tip"

[gb0138]

Seriously? That is a sentence in a provider ad in Denver. Wow!  That seems so crazy unsafe to me.  DATY?  Whaaaat? Sad to think I actually considered seeing her a few months ago. With this new ad, I wouldn't go there if you paid me.  Ever. 

[Guest]

Exactly. Even if I'm safe with her, I'll never see a woman if I know she does that with anyone else. Just no sense in it. I mentioned recently that I met a woman for a "coffee date" that was supposed to lead to a session. She mentioned something that implied that she did this and I couldn't get away fast enough. I worry about this stuff enough with people I'm pretty sure aren't doing anything like that. I think most people on both sides take it very seriously, but yeah, I have no idea what some people are thinking. 

Irony: If a tip gets you that, it's an unhealthy tip.

[Kandi Apple]

 If a provider is used for a reference from a potential client and I research and see something that indicates unsafe practice is a option with the particular provider there is no chance of a meeting. I do not know what happened and if it was unsafe I am submitting my self to risking my life.

UNSAFE IS A DEATH SENTENCE! 

 

Edited February 23, 2016 by Kandi Apple

[Guest]

4 hours ago, Kandi Apple said:

 If a provider is used for a reference from a potential client and I research and see something that indicates unsafe practice is a option with the particular provider there is no chance of a meeting. I do not know what happened and if it was unsafe I am submitting my self to risking my life.

UNSAFE IS A DEATH SENTENCE! 

 

+1Kandi

The no condom is for a privileged man such as boyfriend and husband "someone I'm very close too." OTHER WISE NO. This what etiquette page is for on a providers website. But, I will say this. Weather I do or don't agree with other peoples decisions its not my place to tell them how to run there life. I hope the ladies who are offering it are getting tested.  

 

Edited February 23, 2016 by Nikki Holiday

[Guest]

This is apparently becoming a more common offering.  3 ladies are currently advertising this option on TOB.  Nikki mentioned in another thread that she knew a provider who offered this service but did NOT advertise it.  And, as she just noted, many providers go bare with their SOs.

Everyone should be aware of the potential dangers. However I have lain with many a fair lady, yet I still test disease free.  How is this possible?

I'm not a fool.  I cover my tool.

[Johnboy#1]

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[Guest]

This practice affects everyone in this community. All the more reason to see established providers who are well reviewed and who practice safety with all clients. BP is and always will be a risky endeavor for clients and providers alike...for numerous reasons...LE Busts and unsafe practices just to name a few.

We all should follow Nikki's suggestion and get tested regularly...both clients and providers.

[pitbull]

Yeah, the phrase "healthy tip" is unintentionally ironic.  

[brownegg]

Whether/when/where it's available isn't a subject I think anybody can really be an expert on, and as always, this is not the best of hobbies if "safety" is honestly a primary concern.  I'm not saying you roll more dice on purpose, I'm saying if you're doing this at all, you're rolling dice.

The thing that stands out the most to me is Denver is the only place I've ever seen this advertised.  It's one of several things about the Denver scene that mark it as substantially sub-par, in my not-so-humble opinion.  I actually think the "smarter" girls ought to be doing something about it, because they are actually probably hurt the most.  But I don't know what that "something" is.

[Heidi the Housewife aka The Maui Muse]

1 hour ago, brownegg said:

Whether/when/where it's available isn't a subject I think anybody can really be an expert on, and as always, this is not the best of hobbies if "safety" is honestly a primary concern.  I'm not saying you roll more dice on purpose, I'm saying if you're doing this at all, you're rolling dice.

The thing that stands out the most to me is Denver is the only place I've ever seen this advertised.  It's one of several things about the Denver scene that mark it as substantially sub-par, in my not-so-humble opinion.  I actually think the "smarter" girls ought to be doing something about it, because they are actually probably hurt the most.  But I don't know what that "something" is.

Unfortunately, I HAVE seen BBFS, True GFE, cover option friendly, no raincoat, "for the Very Generous Gentlemen who prefer A Real True GFE, please contact privately" etc, etc, advertised on boards, including P411 before the P411 Ad board was eliminated,  in multiple states,  not just Colorado and here in Florida. 

 

I'm not one to judge, yet, my personal beliefs run as such: If you have more than 1 Sexual Partner, you should Always cover. This also includes your SO. Yes, even while  I  was married,  my SO was covered . Do I expect everyone else to follow my boundaries, no. I am only responsible for myself and while in the company of others, would hope I'm doing my best to respect their boundaries and keeping them Happy, Healthy and Safe. 

We all know this is being offered more and more, it's NOT NEW. ..... It would not be offered if there wasn't a market for it......  

I  would rather have the mindset of thinking everyone at one time or another has or is BBing.  This way, I can do what I need to do to keep myself Healthy. Know the risks and if you feel the risks are not worth it, well, that choice is yours and yours alone to make. 

 

Please don't take my post  as advocating  or implying BBFS is acceptable, it's not. I'm just being realistic. This hasn't been the first post nor will it be the last on this subject. I do know that the day BBFS becomes the norm/standard in getting a thumbs up or thumbs down is the day I walk away, if I'm still around that is.  

[Guest]

2 hours ago, brownegg said:

Whether/when/where it's available isn't a subject I think anybody can really be an expert on, and as always, this is not the best of hobbies if "safety" is honestly a primary concern.  I'm not saying you roll more dice on purpose, I'm saying if you're doing this at all, you're rolling dice.

I think that's why it bothers people. Who knows what guys are doing, or who they see next? The real problem is, there are guys who will do it, and apparently pay MORE for it. That's nuts. It's risky enough without going out of your way to expose yourself. 

I don't know. I guess you could say the same about UTF, so maybe I have no room to talk. But bareback sex is more risk than I'm willing to take. 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, brownegg said:

The thing that stands out the most to me is Denver is the only place I've ever seen this advertised.  It's one of several things about the Denver scene that mark it as substantially sub-par, in my not-so-humble opinion.

I can't say as I have seen it advertised in other cities, but I have known it to be offered in LV and NY. And I think when a "VIP" rate (significantly higher, with no other details) is advertised; that's what's being offered. 

You think Denver is substantially sub-par, eh? Other than the two markets I've mentioned above, I can't think of where is consistently better. At least not in the US. But I don't travel much anymore, so I'm probably not up on the scene in other towns these days. 

Edited February 23, 2016 by Raoul
cuz I felt like it

[brownegg]

2 hours ago, Raoul said:

You think Denver is substantially sub-par, eh? Other than the two markets I've mentioned above, I can't think of where is consistently better. At least not in the US. But I don't travel much anymore, so I'm probably not up on the scene in other towns these days. 

Everything is YMMV, of course... and Denver is the smallest "market" I've lived in, so it could be totally normal.  Probably 75% of my hobbying has been in Chicago, and maybe I'm just spoiled.  But I don't think so.  I've never been anywhere else where a slew of 10/10 reviews could very well get you a 6/8 experience.  It's happened to me multiple times here.  To be honest, and of course I don't know why or what to do about it, I kinda think the whole scene is fucked up here.  Shrug.

[Kandi Apple]

On 2/23/2016 at 6:32 PM, brownegg said:

Everything is YMMV, of course... and Denver is the smallest "market" I've lived in, so it could be totally normal.  Probably 75% of my hobbying has been in Chicago, and maybe I'm just spoiled.  But I don't think so.  I've never been anywhere else where a slew of 10/10 reviews could very well get you a 6/8 experience.  It's happened to me multiple times here.  To be honest, and of course I don't know why or what to do about it, I kinda think the whole scene is fucked up here.  Shrug.

You are clearly big headed! Go back to where you came from!

Kisses!

[Bit Banger]

2 hours ago, brownegg said:

Everything is YMMV, of course... and Denver is the smallest "market" I've lived in, so it could be totally normal.  Probably 75% of my hobbying has been in Chicago, and maybe I'm just spoiled.  But I don't think so.  I've never been anywhere else where a slew of 10/10 reviews could very well get you a 6/8 experience.  It's happened to me multiple times here.  To be honest, and of course I don't know why or what to do about it, I kinda think the whole scene is fucked up here.  Shrug.

A lot of those 10/10 reviews are the results of conversion tools moving reviews from the old system. 

Many others are 1) fearful clients, 2) fawning clients, or 3) clients who feel that getting their sick wet is worth a 10. 

Edited February 24, 2016 by Bit Banger

[brownegg]

9 hours ago, Bit Banger said:

A lot of those 10/10 reviews are the results of conversion tools moving reviews from the old system. 

Many others are 1) fearful clients, 2) fawning clients, or 3) clients who feel that getting their sick wet is worth a 10. 

I actually had it happen more before the switch.  Points 2) and 3) are the problem.

[Bit Banger]

A Scottish Soldier, in full dress uniform, marches
into a pharmacy. 

Very carefully he opens his sporran and pulls out
a neatly folded cotton bandana, unfolds it to reveal
a smaller silk square handkerchief, which he also
unfolds - to reveal a condom. 
The condom has a number of patches on it. 
The chemist holds it up and eyes it critically. 

"How much to repair it?” The Scot asks the chemist. 
"Sixpence." says the chemist. 
"How much for a new one?" 
"Ten pence." says the chemist. 

The Scot painstakingly folds the condom into the
silk square handkerchief and the cotton bandana,
replaces it carefully in his sporran, and marches
out of the door, shoulders back and kilt swinging. 

A moment or two later the chemist hears a great
shout go up outside, followed by an even greater
shout. 
The Scottish soldier marches back into the
chemist’s and addresses the proprietor, this time
with a grin on his face. 

"The regiment has taken a vote," he says.
”We'll have a new one.”

[crazyb]

I am find it interesting to see others thoughts on this.   I personally would never see a girl that offers and BBFS , that kind of service scares me

[Chaz4u]

There was a provider that I saw a couple years ago, who at the time WAS safe and rational. NOW she offers services w/o condom, so I will never see her again. That is just insane and reeks of desperation! 

[Guest]

You would be shocked and amazed at how often providers do bbfs  in El Paso. On advertising days, I'll get at least 3 to 4 requests for it.  No level of desperation should ever make being unsafe excusable. 

[Danielle Rae]

Unfortunately, being "routinely" tested does not make the act of unprotected sex any safer.  Consider these facts.  Of all those with HIV, 60 percent are unaware of it.  That's an enormous amount of people among us who have no idea they are HIV positive.  Furthermore, a person recently infected with HIV has extremely high viral loads of the virus in their blood (meaning they are highly infectious) yet it may take several weeks to several months before an HIV Test returns a positive result.  That's right - they are at their most infectious yet they may test negative for HIV for several months!   So the BBFS/CIP provider who is tested every 30 days, may contract the HIV virus today but not test positive for it let's say for 90 days. Let's say she sees an average of 10 clients per week.  That's 120 men she stands to infect.  Let's say only 1/3 of those men contract HIV - that's 40 men who in turn stand to infect 40 wives.  Where does that leave the children of those 40 marriages?  It is barbaric to believe that the risk is a choice shared only between the 2 people having sex.  The risk is shared by every other person they come into intimate contact with and their loved ones, including the children of those families.  

In anticipation of the Oral Sex argument - the risk of HIV by means of oral sex is extremely low.  Single digit documented cases exist and of those few instances HIV transmission was through 'receptive fellatio' which means an HIV-negative person performing oral sex on (giving a blow job to) a man with HIV.  HIV transmission through 'insertive fellatio', which means an HIV-negative man receiving oral sex from a person with HIV, is said to be impossible.  There are ways to further reduce the already low risk including:  by not performing oral sex within 45 min of brushing your teeth; by not holding semen in your mouth for any period of time - swallow it or spit it out.  The acids in the esophagus and the stomach will kill the virus. There's a saying "Spit or swallow but don't let it wallow."  And obviously, don't perform oral sex if you have any sores in your mouth or if you see any sores on your partners genitals.  

Bottom line, adults in this industry have the moral obligation to act responsibly and to take the necessary precautions to avoid the spread of incurable disease.  To believe otherwise is just plain wrong. 

[Guest]

I did a round of applause for your post Danielle. 

[Bit Banger]

2 hours ago, Danielle Rae said:

Unfortunately, being "routinely" tested does not make the act of unprotected sex any safer.  ...

Bottom line, adults in this industry have the moral obligation to act responsibly and to take the necessary precautions to avoid the spread of incurable disease.  To believe otherwise is just plain wrong. 

Good points

2 hours ago, Danielle Rae said:

 Consider these facts. ...

Let's say she sees an average of 10 clients per week.  That's 120 men she stands to infect.  Let's say only 1/3 of those men contract HIV - that's 40 men who in turn stand to infect 40 wives.  ...

^^ FUD ALERT ^^

At 10 clients/week, it would take almost 20 years for the aforementioned escort to achieve the CDC statistical sample size of 10,000 clients.  If she is HIV+ (a low probability in and of itself), in that time she would likely infect 4 men through vaginal intercourse, or 11 men if ALL of her clients partake in anal intercourse.  Being the receptive partner is riskier. If an HIV+ male provider saw 10 clients/week, over the same 20 years 8 of his vaginal clients are likely to contract HIV.  This jumps significantly (to 138) if all of his clients receive anal intercourse.  As you pointed out, transmission through oral intercourse (both insertive and receptive) are 'low' (statistically insignificant).

Granted, being one of the infected would be bad, but HIV infection is not quite the death sentence it was 30 years ago.  Also since were talking statistics, all of the infections could occur during the 1st week (or two in the case of receptive anal intercourse), but that's not likely to happen.

I'm all favor of safe sex, both in & out of the hobby.  But let's not go all Chicken Little about the dangers of HIV.

Edited February 25, 2016 by Bit Banger
highlighting w/in quote

[Guest]

On February 23, 2016 at 9:24 PM, easyfriend33 said:

Exactly. Even if I'm safe with her, I'll never see a woman if I know she does that with anyone else. Just no sense in it. 

Their are providers here in Denver who don't screen. They dont ask questions. The escort has no idea who she is seeing, and could very well be seeing another provider who offers BBFS to her clients. There guys who see the providers who offer BBFS the read this form, they see which providers are against it. They simply don't use the provider who offers BBFS as a reference. The providers who are against this decision still have no idea who he has seen in the past. 

On February 23, 2016 at 9:53 PM, Kandi Apple said:

 UNSAFE IS A DEATH SENTENCE! 

^^^^^This^^^^^ 

On February 23, 2016 at 6:32 AM, Laplace said:

This is apparently becoming a more common offering.  3 ladies are currently advertising this option on TOB.  Nikki mentioned in another thread that she knew a provider who offered this service but did NOT advertise it.  And, as she just noted, many providers go bare with their SOs. Everyone should be aware of the potential dangers. However I have lain with many a fair lady, yet I still test disease free.  How is this possible? I'm not a fool. I cover my tool. 

The reason I have mentioned before that it has become common, is because it is. This is why I have been "asking" everyone to get tested. It simply to help keep us all safe amongst each other. I feel its important. 

In this thread alone we have 4 providers. But this is not counting the others. Yes, all providers that I know who have husbands/ or longtime SO's LTR boyfriends have unprotected sex with there Husband & Wifes/SO LTR boyfriends. We have clients and providers who are married or have LTR SO's Boyfriends. This is why I have come on the board many times and always encourage both providers and clients to get tested.

On February 24, 2016 at 0:11 PM, Chaz4u said:

There was a provider that I saw a couple years ago, who at the time WAS safe and rational. NOW she offers services w/o condom, so I will never see her again. That is just insane and reeks of desperation!  Just in this thread alone we are now up to "5" providers. 

 

On February 24, 2016 at 6:32 PM, brownegg said:

Denver is the smallest "market" I've lived in, so it could be totally normal.

Probably 75% of my hobbying has been in Chicago, and maybe I'm just spoiled.  But I don't think so. I've never been anywhere else where a slew of 10/10 reviews could very well get you a 6/8 experience. It's happened to me multiple times here. To be honest, and of course I don't know why or what to do about it, I kinda think the whole scene is fucked up here.  Shrug.

Denver is not biggest market. For example ill just mention one state, "Texas".  There way more providers and clients in Texas then there is in Denver. 

On February 24, 2016 at 8:36 PM, Bit Banger said:

A lot of those 10/10 reviews are the results of conversion tools moving reviews from the old system. 

clients who feel that getting their sick wet is worth a 10. 

Iv noticed my reviews are the same. Last time I checked, I still have my one and only average review which I got years before the board took over. Perhaps it affected other profiles and not mine. That I don't know. Your right, some guys do feel clients who feel that getting their sick wet is worth a 10. This is why you guys who are writing reviews need to be HONEST and not ass kissers. If a provider deserves a 10/10 delivery the special delivery, she should most defiantly get it. If she deserves shitty review Deliver the ass whooping.

19 hours ago, SpiceInCo said:

You would be shocked and amazed at how often providers do bbfs  in El Paso. On advertising days, I'll get at least 3 to 4 requests for it.  No level of desperation should ever make being unsafe excusable. 

Thank you reiterating what I have been saying. 

 

7 hours ago, Danielle Rae said:

Unfortunately, being "routinely" tested does not make the act of unprotected sex any safer.  Consider these facts.  Of all those with HIV, 60 percent are unaware of it.  That's an enormous amount of people among us who have no idea they are HIV positive.  Furthermore, a person recently infected with HIV has extremely high viral loads of the virus in their blood (meaning they are highly infectious) yet it may take several weeks to several months before an HIV Test returns a positive result.  That's right - they are at their most infectious yet they may test negative for HIV for several months!   So the BBFS/CIP provider who is tested every 30 days, may contract the HIV virus today but not test positive for it let's say for 90 days. I agree with this. If your not getting tested, I encourage you began. I have saying this for the past couple of years on this board. I also encourage newbies clients when I meet them, and providers who I have taught how to screen. Where does that leave the children of those 40 marriages?  It is barbaric to believe that the risk is a choice shared only between the 2 people having sex.  While your right, It doesn't matter if its barbaric. The fact is, its' still a choice. Each provider makes her own decisions and rules. We cant force other escorts to do anything they don't want too.  In anticipation of the Oral Sex argument - the risk of HIV by means of oral sex is extremely low.  Doesn't matter, it only takes that one time. The risk is still there. Single digit documented cases exist and of those few instances HIV transmission was through 'receptive fellatio' which means an HIV-negative person performing oral sex on (giving a blow job to) a man with HIV.  HIV transmission through 'insertive fellatio', which means an HIV-negative man receiving oral sex from a person with HIV, is said to be impossible.  There are ways to further reduce the already low risk including:  by not performing oral sex within 45 min of brushing your teeth; by not holding semen in your mouth for any period of time - swallow it or spit it out.  The acids in the esophagus and the stomach will kill the virus.  I never heard of this. I have done research on HIV countless times and have had many discussions with my primary doctor and Planned Parent Hood. But I am also not a doctor Thanks for information. I do enjoy research and knowledge is power. Obviously, don't perform oral sex if you have any sores in your mouth or if you see any sores on your partners genitals. Bottom line, adults in this industry have the moral obligation to act responsibly and to take the necessary precautions to avoid the spread of incurable disease. To believe otherwise is just plain wrong. There are people who do not care about safety. This will never change. 

No matter what each time a providers see clients and clients who see providers we all are risk. This would also include other groups of people. Anyone is or was married. Wives and Husbands are known to cheat on there spouses. In fact I consider this common. Any one who has a friend with benefits, girlfriends, boyfriends participates as a swinger. My recommendation still stands as it always has. Please see providers who publicly announce they are STD tested, and willing to provide proof. This means she cares about herself and others. The only thing we can do is make the best choices for ourselves. A few months ago, I begin asking new clients when they where last STD tested, (its now even the booking form) I am losing potential clients because of this. I have been told that my standards are too high, I ask to much personal information regarding health.

My health means more to me than any amount of money. Please play safe. 

Edited February 25, 2016 by Nikki Holiday

[Danielle Rae]

I have witnessed life (and death) with HIV/AIDS in my former profession and it is not something I would blindly toss around like a wedding bouquet.  Particularly painful to witness were the young lives infected, although I can't say that I witnessed anyone (young or old) who enjoyed the experience.  My post was not intended to go "Chicken Little about the dangers of HIV" and I apologize if that's the direction it went.  My intended message was for those who are under the misunderstanding that being "routinely" checked for STDs somehow makes unprotected sex safer.  It doesn't.  Further, I hoped to shed some truth onto the misconception that the risks involved with BBFS boiled down to a choice shared solely by the 2 people partaking in the act.  That is grossly untrue.

And the examples both I and Bit gave don't account for the obvious fact that the exposure doesn't end there.  The fact that all of us in this industry have multiple partners, the overall risk and exposure is multiplied much greater than a typical relationship.   As sex workers and hobbyists, we owe it to ourselves and the rest of the community to educate one another and to take the necessary precautions to prevent the spread of incurable disease. 

 

[Guest]

5 hours ago, Bit Banger said:

Good points

^^ FUD ALERT ^^

At 10 clients/week, it would take almost 20 years for the aforementioned escort to achieve the CDC statistical sample size of 10,000 clients.  If she is HIV+ (a low probability in and of itself), in that time she would likely infect 4 men through vaginal intercourse, or 11 men if ALL of her clients partake in anal intercourse.  Being the receptive partner is riskier. If an HIV+ male provider saw 10 clients/week, over the same 20 years 8 of his vaginal clients are likely to contract HIV.  This jumps significantly (to 138) if all of his clients receive anal intercourse.  As you pointed out, transmission through oral intercourse (both insertive and receptive) are 'low' (statistically insignificant).

Granted, being one of the infected would be bad, but HIV infection is not quite the death sentence it was 30 years ago.  Also since were talking statistics, all of the infections could occur during the 1st week (or two in the case of receptive anal intercourse), but that's not likely to happen.

I'm all favor of safe sex, both in & out of the hobby.  But let's not go all Chicken Little about the dangers of HIV.

I can promise you that Danielle Rae and I do not always see eye to eye, much less agree on much. But this is one time I won't argue her common sense.

Edited February 25, 2016 by Nikki Holiday

[Bit Banger]

Consider Danielle's statement of 33% infection rate when it should be less than 0.05%, assuming the female in question is HIV+. I failed to find an incidence statistic for this, but I would hazard that it is less than 1% (1.6 million infected women in US?), even among providers. This hyperbole was the Chicken Little moment. 

HIV is a death sentence? Birth is a death sentence! 30 years ago HIV infection & AIDS was a death sentence; a gruesome one at that. But medical research has made significant strides in treating these conditions. With proper treatment, I am more likely to die of other causes IF I were infected today. How long ago was it that Magic Johnson announced his retirement? 25 years!

I'm not saying that these activities are w/o risk, just that the risks are not as monumental as claimed. Everything in life has risks. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Bit Banger said:

 With proper treatment, I am more likely to die of other causes IF I were infected today.

Exactly Bit! This brings up a great point. Something I have noticed since I began to hobby. One would think it is the young guys asking for bareback, in my experience it is not.

The men that ask and even whine about wanting bareback, are men over 60 years old and even more so after 65 years old.

( Now I adore my older the lovers, they are truly the best in my eyes! Please don't take this as a bash. It is not.)

When you think about it though, what do they have to lose? Their natural expiration date will likely take their life, long before any HIV/AIDS symptoms do. Most escorts have their entire lives ahead of them or at least half. It should be a PSA for younger ladies. My usual bareback request from a 60+ gentleman is also accompanied by promises of recently being tested, or I don't have sex with anyone, or I can't make semen I don't have a prostate ect. ect. It doesn't help that they are usually extremely handsome men, with steel grey hair and big blue eyes...where was I?

The point is, this is not a youngster issue. I read an article once that the STD rates were as high in nursing homes as college dorms. Great news for me! I had fun in college. However, it proves the risk never goes away. There is also a resurgence of syphilis over the past years. This is a huge problem for many reasons. The symptoms usually go unnoticed, or there are none.  Like HIV, people can be infecting others with no knowledge. Scary part is syphilis will infect the brain.

Would you see a doctor that puts their hand inside you with out a glove? No, that would be malpractice and crazy.

No tip, no rate increase, no bonus is worth my life or becoming Typhoid Mary. Just my opinion.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sexually-transmitted-disease-rates-rise-among-elderly-why/

 

 

 

 

Edited February 25, 2016 by Kashmir
sp

[BadBoy]

2 hours ago, Bit Banger said:

Consider Danielle's statement of 33% infection rate when it should be less than 0.05%, assuming the female in question is HIV+. I failed to find an incidence statistic for this, but I would hazard that it is less than 1% (1.6 million infected women in US?), even among providers. This hyperbole was the Chicken Little moment. 

HIV is a death sentence? Birth is a death sentence! 30 years ago HIV infection & AIDS was a death sentence; a gruesome one at that. But medical research has made significant strides in treating these conditions. With proper treatment, I am more likely to die of other causes IF I were infected today. How long ago was it that Magic Johnson announced his retirement? 25 years!

I'm not saying that these activities are w/o risk, just that the risks are not as monumental as claimed. Everything in life has risks. 

Bit, I think you are missing the point.  The reason HIV (as well as any other STD) would be a death sentence is because my wife would kill me if I gave her an STD.  Squeaky clean, that's my motto.

[Danielle Rae]

It may not be a big deal to you but it is not something I want to endure.  While it may not be "Death Sentence" it once was; living with HIV is no walk in the park.  To prevent HIV from progressing to AIDS, one must take multiple daily drugs that can easily cost $1,000 per month.  And the side effects of said medication are less than enjoyable: headaches, diarrhea, nausea, fatigue, skin rashes, etc.  The emotional toll of being HIV positive is considerable.  HIV to those infected with it is still a big deal and it continues to be the world's 5th leading cause of death.