What's a 10?

[LesisMore]

After having relied on several member reviews to screen and choose my investments in the ladies, I find that "10" is a very overused rating and/or my expectations are a bit higher than most.   I felt compelled to offer my opinion on "What's a 10".

Looks:

10 = A Victoria Secret model

 9 = A Victoria Secret model in waiting, just about to be discovered

 8 = Turns the heads of everybody in the room (ladies too) when she walk in.   Creates a "woodie" just by brushing up against you as she walks by.

 7 = The very attractive "Girl next Door" that you've always wanted to "do"

 6 = The average YL in your college class

 5 = The average MILF in the neighborhood

4 = The average MILF over 50

3 = The talent found in most massage parlors

2 = A 60 year old MILF from Kentucky (found on Colfax Ave)

1 = You don't wanna know!

Performance / Service:

10 = Eyes roll back in the clients AND providers head when you climax together

 9 = Eyes roll back in my head and I black out for a few minutes

 8 = A top notch PSE/GFE session where she's really into you, is very vocal, and you're both covered in sweat when it's finished

 7= A quality session with a pretty lady that leaves you wanting to come back again

 6 = A quality session, worth what you paid, but probably not a repeat

 5 = You got off, not worth what you paid, and not a repeat

 4 = 3G (Got in, Got Off, Got Out)

 3 = Same as #4 but with a 2-4 in terms of looks

2 = She scared you, hurt you, and you never want to have sex again

1 = Turns out "she" was LE

Thoughts?   Am I being too harsh?   I'm just trying to level the playing field so the truly top notch gals stand out from the crowd.

[Bit Banger]

While I might quibble with some of your specifics, you're on the right track. 

[pfunk]

4 hours ago, LesisMore said:

Am I being too harsh?  

Yes. My guess is you, and I, are both 3s.  It's a wonder we ever get any, even with money. 

[Guest]

Subjectivity.....it's a ball breaker.

I've never been a ladies-man.  Yeah, I did ok in my youth, working with the substandard materiel I was given.

So.  If a pretty lady (i.e. one that is "out of my league" pretty) shows me a good time, and acts like she's happy I'm there, that's a 9.  If she shows me a good time AND I kinda like her to boot, because our personalities clicked, thats a 10.

Makes me cum and then rushes me out the door:  6

Robs me.  Upsells me. : 2

Kills me:  a family member will leave a 1

I can honestly say that (with the exception of one "6") ,I've never experencied less than a 9. 

So, Because I'm not a picky, hard-to-please guy, I'm gonna fuck-over your rating scale really bad.   And I suspect there's a lot of guys like me.

[Lucy Kitten]

So 9s and 10s are reserved for super model types? It's not harsh more than it is delusional. It's a ridiculous standard that %98.9 of women can't live up to. Media standards are not anywhere near reality. And Victoria's Secret type models certainly aren't charging by the hour on TOB. Also most of the guys agreeing couldn't afford those that they claim are tens. Some of the most successful and highest paid women in the industry don't even fit this ridiculous criteria. 

As much as every provider would like to claim a toe-curling, black out, mutual climax experience it's just not reasonable. It's not reasonable to expect it from either end. What about men that aren't really able to perform? Do they not ever get 10 experiences because they can't experience it like you do? What about compatibility? That's not a guarantee and it's nobodies fault so does it still deserve a low rating? What if a session is bad and it's the fault of the client? So many variables. 

Ratings are worthless, what is a 10 to you isn't a 10 to the next guy. Maybe they're helpful to you but what they really are is hurtful. I really wish there was a way to turn the tables and rate you guys the way you try to rate us ladies. To make you feel the discomfort of being assigned a number for hotness. Is this college? A pageant? The wall in a bathroom stall? If ladies could post dick size of their clients I bet guys would quickly change their tune about how they rate and review ladies.

P.S. Let's stop confusing fat with ugly. No woman has to be a size -2 to be beautiful.

 

[boink36]

2 hours ago, pfunk said:

Yes. My guess is you, and I, are both 3s.  It's a wonder we ever get any, even with money. 

I'm ok with being a 3, I'm not charging for my time. when I start charging for my time providers can post a review and rate me a 3. accurate reviews are a wonderful thing.

[LesisMore]

Thanks for the feedback all!  I must confess my scale was a bit tongue in cheek.  However, I was making the point that the TOB rating scale of 1 to 10 is ineffective.  You almost never see anything less than an 8 or 9 used (unless the young lady was a total rip off or robbed the man).  Same goes for the reviews I've written..   Plus, I would like to get laid again and am not eager to unleash the rath of a wronged woman ;-)

P.S.  I tend to rely more on the review text and try to "read between the lines" on how the provider was viewed.  Doesn't always work and, of course, YMMV.

P.P.S.  And, I fully acknowledge for the ladies that the performance is a two-way street.   You only get out what you're willing to put in!  ;-)

[Bit Banger]

9 hours ago, Lucy Kitten said:

So 9s and 10s are reserved for super model types? It's not harsh more than it is delusional. It's a ridiculous standard that %98.9 of women can't live up to. Media standards are not anywhere near reality. And Victoria's Secret type models certainly aren't charging by the hour on TOB. Also most of the guys agreeing couldn't afford those that they claim are tens. Some of the most successful and highest paid women in the industry don't even fit this ridiculous criteria. 

...

 

These ratings are NOT delusional.  I would say that they are as realistic as the ratings used for sports figures, programmers, business tycoons, journalists, or anybody else for that matter.  Just for grins, let's look at a break down of baseball players:

1. Never played the game
2. Played right field in Little League
3. Played in Little League, but never made the HS team
4. Played in the company softball league
5. Played ball on the HS team
6. Played ball on the college team, All-State in HS, plays in amateur leagues
7. Super star in the amateur leagues, plays in semi-pro leagues
8. Minor league player
9. MLB player
10. MLB super star, perhaps 1/team

Not an exact break down, but you get the idea.  And 99.9% of players are not 10's; they aren't pulling down mega-millions on the ball field.

You're right, VS Models are not charging by the hour on TOB.  We (both clients & providers) are not even close to their league!  Most of the gals I've encountered fit the 5-7 range, with a few 3-4's, and a very few 8's over the years. 

BTW: VS Models are not my concept of the epitome of feminine pulchritude - too skinny.

 

[pfunk]

9 minutes ago, Bit Banger said:

We (both clients & providers) are not even close to their league!  Most of the gals I've encountered fit the 5-7 range, with a few 3-4's, and a very few 8's over the years. 

If you truly believe this, why don't your reviews reflect this?  We are discussing review ratings  aren't we?

[Bit Banger]

Edit timed out:

I've witnessed a few 9's strutting their stuff as arm candy for major executives at national conventions.  Attire and make-up probably improved their lot.

Complaining about the natural distribution of looks & talent is not going to change reality.  Work with what you've got.

[Bit Banger]

7 minutes ago, pfunk said:

If you truly believe this, why don't your reviews reflect this?  We are discussing review ratings  aren't we?

Because my review ratings were distorted from Average & Very Good (what I would consider 5-8) during the conversion from the old system.  I have not (for a variety of reasons) submitted any reviews under the new system.

The ratings of the old system were also for different characteristics.  There is not an Overall Experience or Provider's Attitude rating in the new system.

Edited January 24, 2016 by Bit Banger

[Guest]

All of which begs the question, Bit:

Do you get turned down a lot unless you promise not to review?  Don't you think the ladies are saying to themselves "gee, if I see Bit Banger, he will give me a 6 where others give me a 9 for the same performance!"  

I would think that, knowing this about you as a provider trying to break into the business, I would want to avoid your 6 until I had a long string of 9s and 10s to counter it.

I understand and applaud your theoretical approach to the sanctity of the rating session.  But if everyone were truly honest about every facet of this business, guys who had been buying pussy for a long time would be shunned by the general provider community, because....being more likely over their long career to have experienced the rare perfect session.....they would rate providers much lower than the occasional or new client.

[Guest]

11 hours ago, Lucy Kitten said:

So 9s and 10s are reserved for super model types? It's not harsh more than it is delusional. It's a ridiculous standard that %98.9 of women can't live up to.

In theory, that's about right. 9's would be rare and 10's would be almost unheard of. Which is why they should not be considered "standards" but rather exceptional exceptions. But that's not how these things work in practice. Since the new rating system went into effect, over half of the reviews are 10/10. A little less than 4% are 5/5 or lower. 

Given that all of these rating systems (numbers, stars, grades, etc) are deeply flawed shortcuts, I do think the new system is an improvement over the old Fantastic to Poor.

As for the OP's question, I have no idea. Never met one. 

btw Luce - 94% of your reviews are 10/10.

[Bit Banger]

48 minutes ago, Laplace said:

All of which begs the question, Bit:

Do you get turned down a lot unless you promise not to review?  Don't you think the ladies are saying to themselves "gee, if I see Bit Banger, he will give me a 6 where others give me a 9 for the same performance!"  

I would think that, knowing this about you as a provider trying to break into the business, I would want to avoid your 6 until I had a long string of 9s and 10s to counter it.

I understand and applaud your theoretical approach to the sanctity of the rating session.  But if everyone were truly honest about every facet of this business, guys who had been buying pussy for a long time would be shunned by the general provider community, because....being more likely over their long career to have experienced the rare perfect session.....they would rate providers much lower than the occasional or new client.

Not that I'm aware of, but over the years I have gotten a few "nasty" post review emails.  The text in bold above is an excellent reason for removing ratings from the review system.  The questions, "Would you recommend?" or "Would you repeat?" are the most pertinent.

Does that mean that I haven't been turned down because of reviews?  No, because I have been turned down for my reviews, but a variety of reasons other than ratings were cited.  Some of which I may explain in a future posting.

I have also had providers remark, "Wow!  I got a FANTASTIC from Bit."

Edited January 24, 2016 by Bit Banger

[Guest]

42 minutes ago, Laplace said:

I would think that, knowing this about you as a provider trying to break into the business, I would want to avoid your 6 until I had a long string of 9s and 10s to counter it.

Lap, if you were a provider trying to break into the business, the only way you'd be getting 9's and 10's would be BB 

[Bit Banger]

1 minute ago, Raoul said:

Lap, if you were a provider trying to break into the business, the only way you'd be getting 9's and 10's would be BB 

IMHO, BB is more likely to get a provider docked for 'unsafe practices'.

[Lucy Kitten]

1 hour ago, Bit Banger said:

These ratings are NOT delusional.  I would say that they are as realistic as the ratings used for sports figures, programmers, business tycoons, journalists, or anybody else for that matter.  Just for grins, let's look at a break down of baseball players:

1. Never played the game
2. Played right field in Little League
3. Played in Little League, but never made the HS team
4. Played in the company softball league
5. Played ball on the HS team
6. Played ball on the college team, All-State in HS, plays in amateur leagues
7. Super star in the amateur leagues, plays in semi-pro leagues
8. Minor league player
9. MLB player
10. MLB super star, perhaps 1/team

Not an exact break down, but you get the idea.  And 99.9% of players are not 10's; they aren't pulling down mega-millions on the ball field.

You're right, VS Models are not charging by the hour on TOB.  We (both clients & providers) are not even close to their league!  Most of the gals I've encountered fit the 5-7 range, with a few 3-4's, and a very few 8's over the years. 

BTW: VS Models are not my concept of the epitome of feminine pulchritude - too skinny.

 

 

You really shouldn't hold people to standards that don't really exist. It's unnecessarily harmful. If the point of all of this is to have fun why add in an element that hurts feelings?

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Raoul said:

Lap, if you were a provider trying to break into the business, the only way you'd be getting 9's and 10's would be BB 

^^^NOT THIS^^^

1 minute ago, Bit Banger said:

IMHO, BB is more likely to get a provider docked for 'unsafe practices'.

^^^THIS^^^

Raoul, there is a young lady who entered an introductory "Hello" thread in Colorado within the last month.  I had the good fortune, while on business, to schedule a session with her when she was brand new. She had 3 things going for her: 1) an established provider had been mentoring her.  2) she was naturally attractive in that hot-mom kind of way.  3) She loved sex and was stunned to learn you could make this money having this much fun.

The session was easily a 9 by anyone's standards.  Even Bit.  Never smoked, but I still feel the urge to light one up when I remember it.

 

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, Bit Banger said:

IMHO, BB is more likely to get a provider docked for 'unsafe practices'.

This is only true with few of you guys. I know a provider is offering BB to all clients. She booked out all the time. The guys just don't review her so the other providers can't refuse to see them, because they have no idea who there really seeing. Lol 

Edited January 24, 2016 by Nikki Holiday

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, Bit Banger said:

The questions, "Would you recommend?" or "Would you repeat?" are the most pertinent.

Indeed. The only way reviews are of value to me (other than the entertainment value of reading about train wrecks) is to learn which reviewers have tastes similar to mine and look for the ones they want to see again. 

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Laplace said:

^^^NOT THIS^^^

^^^THIS^^^

Raoul, there is a young lady who entered an introductory "Hello" thread in Colorado within the last month.  I had the good fortune, while on business, to schedule a session with her when she was brand new. She had 3 things going for her: 1) an established provider had been mentoring her.  2) she was naturally attractive in that hot-mom kind of way.  3) She loved sex and was stunned to learn you could make this money having this much fun.

The session was easily a 9 by anyone's standards.  Even Bit.  Never smoked, but I still feel the urge to light one up when I remember it.

 

I was just joking, Lap. Play safe everyone 

[MrReindeer-9515]

20 minutes ago, Bit Banger said:

IMHO, BB is more likely to get a provider docked for 'unsafe practices'.

While Raoul is obviously trying to get over on Laplace with a pithy comment, this post begs the question: where exactly would they be "docked" for this kind of behavior? 

There are a few things that come close to Universals in this business:

Guys tend to put on some pretty thick rose colored glasses, particularly when writing reviews...

And, there are far more dudes out there that want BB than not.

[Bit Banger]

14 minutes ago, Lucy Kitten said:

 

You really shouldn't hold people to standards that don't really exist. It's unnecessarily harmful. If the point of all of this is to have fun why add in an element that hurts feelings?

But standards do exist.  In many cases (sports figures, CEOs, programmers, etc.) the yardstick is $s.

I used to get rated twice a year on my performance, ranked among my peers.  One of these reviews was merely for feedback; the other determined my salary for the coming year.  Did my po wittle feewings get hurt? Sometimes.  But I was brought up to suck it up, take the feedback, improve what & where I could, and do the best I can next year. The only way to complain about the system was to find another job, where a similar system would be in place.

We all can't be super stars.  That doesn't mean we're bad people.  It just means that we may be in that large middle group defining AVERAGE!  Bell curves abound in nature. 

[Bit Banger]

5 minutes ago, MrReindeer said:

While Raoul is obviously trying to get over on Laplace with a pithy comment, this post begs the question: where exactly would they be "docked" for this kind of behavior? 

There are a few things that come close to Universals in this business:

Guys tend to put on some pretty thick rose colored glasses, particularly when writing reviews...

And, there are far more dudes out there that want BB than not.

While I might not go into details about why, I would probably mark 'Do NOT repeat'. 

Yes, BB is a sought after service.  Back in the day, it was often available in the singles market.  And truth be told, the odds are better than Lotto.  But still ...

[pfunk]

5 minutes ago, Bit Banger said:

But standards do exist. 

Really? I've never seen any written standard for escorts anywhere. No one can even agree on the definition of GFE! Some guys prefer cheap 3Gs. We all like different looks, activities, treatment, and conversation. To claim there is an objective standard for escorts is simply untrue. It's all VERY subjective.

I do agree that the best "review" is "I would see her again!". 

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, pfunk said:

 I've never seen any written standard for escorts anywhere.

These should be familiar to many of us.

RATING   LOOKS   10 She was a one in a million. 9 She was model material. 8 She was really hot. 7 She was attractive. 6 She was nice looking. 5 She was plain looking 4 OK, If you are drunk 3 She was fairly homely. 2 She was simply ugly. 1 I was really scared.

RATING   PERFORMANCE   10 It was a one in a million. 9 I forgot it was a service. 8 She went the extra mile. 7 It was really hot 6 It was a nice time. 5 Average 4 She just laid there. 3 It was barely worth the effort. 2 I should have stayed home. 1 A total rip-off.

For performance ratings, it is asked that you please save the 8, 9, and 10 ranks for situations where out of the ordinary services are provided (i.e. Blow Job - without condom, Kissing - with tongue, Anal - Yes, and Really Bi - Yes, More than One Guy - Yes). Of course, the 10 rating should be reserved for an experience that is really worth a million!

An escort provider is only eligible to earn up to a 7, unless she is willing to perform one or some of the following during a session: Kisses With Tongue, Bare-Back Blow Job, Really Bi, and Anal Sex. For each of these services that are offered, her potential max score is raised by one point, with 10 as an absolute maximum.

This does not mean she earns extra points for offering these service(s); just that she is now eligible for a higher score. Her maximum eligible score is based on what is offered, not what is performed during your session with her. You may or may not be interested in the “extra” services she offers, but the fact she offers them makes her eligible for the higher score.

If your review rates a provider higher than her maximum score, the score will be adjusted down to her maximum. 

While I am not a fan of this particular system and the way it works in practice, I think it has fairly wide acceptance. 

[Guest]

27 minutes ago, MrReindeer said:

And, there are far more dudes out there that want BB than not.

This very true.

While just a very few of you guys say I'm not seeing her because she offers BB. Trust me... A provider offering BB is not missing your business at all. They can't keep up. 

[Bit Banger]

8 minutes ago, pfunk said:

Really? I've never seen any written standard for escorts anywhere. No one can even agree on the definition of GFE! Some guys prefer cheap 3Gs. We all like different looks, activities, treatment, and conversation. To claim there is an objective standard for escorts is simply untrue. It's all VERY subjective.

I do agree that the best "review" is "I would see her again!". 

Yes, the standards are subjective and relative.  Is SuzyQ prettier than Mary?  Did Jane polish my schwanz better than Molly?  Each of us has our own set of standards, developed over time.  We each have an Average, a Worst, and a Best experience to measure our most recent session against.  Also over time, others will learn to gauge their standards against our standards by comparing our reviews against their own experience.

Are there written standards for sports figures?  Not really.  Instead their worth to the team ($s) is determined by their relative performance when compared to other players on the team, in the league.  Is their batting average higher? What's their save percentage?

Are there written standards for movies?  Not that I've seen.  And yet they are reviewed and ranked all the time.

[Guest]

51 minutes ago, Nikki Holiday said:

The guys just don't review her so the other providers can't refuse to see them, because they have no idea who there really seeing. 

She has some reviews. And she's not the only one. Sometimes the code is VIP service or VIP package. And the new review system allows BB as a provided service for those who choose full disclosure.

Me personally, I'm only good for about 35 seconds uncovered so the ROI is not very good. I don't even like BB when I'm alone 

[BadBoy]

I have a different system, adapted more to the review of living young ladies dedicated to my pleasure than the needs of the Victoria Secrets Human Services Hiring Department:

Appearance:

10  -  Nice looking gal, doing the best with what God gave her: Clean, well dressed, nicely made up in reasonably good physical condition.  The person I would like to watch exercise at the gym (I admit it, I am a bit of pervert).  Includes the OP's 1-7.

9 -    Nice looking gal, letting a minor thing slide, such as didn't put much effort into attire, but otherwise a 10.

8 -    Nice looking gal, letting a couple minor things slide, but still the sort of person I would like to watch exercise at the gym.

7 -    Not so much of a looker, but still doing the best with what she was given.  Maybe carrying a few pounds more than she should be for her health.

.... and so on to

1 -    Lied about her age, lied about her weight, hair was dirty, smelled bad, I didn't even go in the door, ran to my car, took a shower just for looking at her.  (This is entirely hypothetical, I have been lucky enough to never see lower than a 7 on my scale).

Service (a term I hate by the way):

I think the OP was spot on - except a bit optimistic.

my 10 = His 10-7

my 9  =  His 6

my 8  =  His 5

my 7  = His 4

and so on

I know, I am an easy grader.  Comes from having to do with what God gave me and being very lucky over the years, and grateful to those dozens of young ladies along the way.