Posted July 1, 2015 the wheels have been turning....... http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2015/06/30/mastercard-ceases-doing-business-backpage/29536177/ 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 1, 2015 First Amex and now Mastercard. Fingers crossed that Visa doesn't follow in those footsteps. It's scary how quickly we can run out of options. BP accepted bitcoin for a while which was interesting. I really hope they don't buckle under the pressure. BP is still the most used advertising site there is and it would be a shame if it went away. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 1, 2015 Prime example why Time & Companionship is no longer my only source of income. The clock is ticking. I prepared for this over a year ago. Notice they are working on getting rid of one site at a time. If they cant stop you one way, they will stop them from getting payment. Once Backpage is gone, I will assume they begin working the next list of websites. This is another prime example why I tell all of my new clients about P411. AT LEAST BACKPAGE HAS THE BALLS TO FIGHT FOR IT'S ADVERTISING. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 1, 2015 Prime example why Time & Companionship is no longer my only source of income. The clock is ticking. I prepared for this over a year ago. Notice they are working on getting rid of one site at a time. If they cant stop you one way, they will stop them from getting payment. Once Backpage is gone, I will assume they begin working the next list of websites. This is another prime example why I tell all of my new clients about P411. AT LEAST BACKPAGE HAS THE BALLS TO FIGHT FOR IT'S ADVERTISING. You know Chase pulled the same shit like 2 years ago. I realized then it was time to jump ship and get a Wells Fargo account and a second pre-paid Visa card for business reasons. I haven't had a problem since and really it's the way to go about from hobby to real life. Almost like a burner phone to your actual, personal phone. As for BP, it's just another loop to get through that I am sure smart ladies are able to figure out. Annoying? Yes.; Impossible to post an ad again? No.. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 1, 2015 Another reason I only advertise on Escort boards. P411 is good, but without being able to advertise an actual ad it becomes difficult. For example, the available now ads are great BUT since I am in the springs the guys have to specifically search the city. I think it is great that BP is standing their ground, and I am sure they will figure out a new way to get paid. Perhaps this will help weed out more of the bad apples on BP, then again maybe not. I guess time will tell. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 1, 2015 (edited) I doubt this will be an issue. BP is used as the primary place to go for escorts, in countries where it is legal. I was in one city that had over 2000 listings under escorts. BP will ensure they won't lose that income, and provide an easy pay alternative. Really not sweating the legality of it all either. The US is ever so sloooowly catching up to the times. [snip} From a financial side, be careful what you wish for....providers in countries where it legal get 100/hr max if they are lucky. They are also seriously taxed on that income. Edited July 4, 2015 by boink36 Forbidden topic removed. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 2, 2015 hmmm not sure what to say? as visa has followed mastercards lead. http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2015/07/01/visa-mastercard-stop-business-with-backpage/29558315/ ladies on another board are taking about using bitcoin as payment. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 2, 2015 I contacted BP about this today via email. I cant post everything in the email they sent me, but I will put this up. "My apologies for the inconvenience. For now, your best option to post will be with a Visa prepaid card to pay for your ads. We have noticed that Vanilla Visa seems to work the best." HeHeHe, he said "vanilla". I think we know who's side they are on! Who talks like that? Um we do. A Vanilla Visa is about as close to normal as I would get. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 2, 2015 I contacted BP about this today via email. I cant post everything in the email they sent me, but I will put this up. "My apologies for the inconvenience. For now, your best option to post will be with a Visa prepaid card to pay for your ads. We have noticed that Vanilla Visa seems to work the best." HeHeHe, he said "vanilla". I think we know who's side they are on! Who talks like that? Um we do. A Vanilla Visa is about as close to normal as I would get. Vanilla Visa seems to be the only thing that really works at this moment, thanks to twitter and chatting with some other ladies the best bet is to use your vanilla visa and buy credits because it seems to already be denying payments for ads and bumping it up. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 2, 2015 Is this effecting all of BP, or only the Adult section? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 2, 2015 Is this effecting all of BP, or only the Adult section? the articles I have read seem to indicate it's only the adult ads, which is why I think we can currently buy credits for future ads. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 4, 2015 Vanilla Visa seems to be the only thing that really works at this moment, thanks to twitter and chatting with some other ladies the best bet is to use your vanilla visa and buy credits because it seems to already be denying payments for ads and bumping it up. Was wondering if you could clarify what is meant; "buy credits" Is this credit with BP... ? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 4, 2015 Was wondering if you could clarify what is meant; "buy credits" Is this credit with BP... ? You can buy credits to post ads rather than just pay for the ad itself. I don't know if the loophole has closed but it was only payments for adult ads specifically that are being blocked. I plunked down $150 on BP just to be safe. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 4, 2015 You can buy credits to post ads rather than just pay for the ad itself. I don't know if the loophole has closed but it was only payments for adult ads specifically that are being blocked. I plunked down $150 on BP just to be safe. I did not realize that there were charges for posting other than the adult section. Strange that the CC's can tell the difference between one posting and another. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 7, 2015 July 6 was the LAST DAY to make CC payments on BP 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 7, 2015 Just got confirmation email from BP All advertising is now FREE You only pay for upgrades such as auto repost, etc 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 7, 2015 Just got confirmation email from BP All advertising is now FREE You only pay for upgrades such as auto repost, etc looks like it has to be a new ad every time. it wont let me bump up my old ads just post a new one for free. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 7, 2015 Super kudos to Backpage for taking this step! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 7, 2015 Create user account, I'm able to bump from my account. Also so much easier to manage ads from your account, it's all in one place Yes, I'm glad too. I'm expecting for age verification to be next to be in compliance with new laws. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 7, 2015 Create user account, I'm able to bump from my account. Also so much easier to manage ads from your account, it's all in one place Yes, I'm glad too. I'm expecting for age verification to be next to be in compliance with new laws. Hmmm, I tried that and it would not let me bump up my ad. Either way this was very awesome of BP to do. I would happily comply with age verification if it came to that, to keep those who are in harms way safe and it would be interesting to gather those stats. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 7, 2015 Just got confirmation email from BP All advertising is now FREE ... Talk about sticking it to Sheriff Dart (Cook County, IL). 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 7, 2015 I am confused on how you post this free ad. Do I have to "re-do" an entirely different ad now?? All I know is I cannot post because they don't take either of my cards anymore and I don't know how to use Bitcoin. This is sooo frustrating!! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 7, 2015 Talk about sticking it to Sheriff Dart (Cook County, IL). https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/07/06/man-charged-connection-with-murder-woman-inside-extended-stay-america-burlington/FtcfErggw23h5rlDPi3MRI/story.html 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 7, 2015 I did not realize that there were charges for posting other than the adult section. Strange that the CC's can tell the difference between one posting and another. I am not a paranoid person, but.....something is not right about this. In other countries, where it is legal, they are still charging for adult ads. I just checked a different country. Let's just say, the powers that be really wanted to crack down on BP escorts and johns. This entire ordeal would flush out real escorts. Free is never free. If LE is watching, who is diligently figuring out how to get their ads up. This may not be good. If possible, I would suggest waiting until the dust settles. At the very least, screen, screen, screen the next couple of weeks. Let's just hope it is BP being nice, and not trying to lose business. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 7, 2015 I am not a paranoid person, but.....something is not right about this. In other countries, where it is legal, they are still charging for adult ads. I just checked a different country. Let's just say, the powers that be really wanted to crack down on BP escorts and johns. This entire ordeal would flush out real escorts. Free is never free. If LE is watching, who is diligently figuring out how to get their ads up. This may not be good. If possible, I would suggest waiting until the dust settles. At the very least, screen, screen, screen the next couple of weeks. Let's just hope it is BP being nice, and not trying to lose business. I believe that BackPage is doing the right thing for their customers. Escorts give them millions upon millions every year and what BP offers is within their rights as a website. On Wednesday all CC payments were blocked in all 80 countries that BP is available. It may have changed since then but there was a point all payment was blocked in all regions. I am also certain that it's pretty easy to separate adult ad purchases from other ad purchases. When you shop online/in store everything has a sku number or a UPC. They are business that I am sure keeps stats on all the services they offer. The powers at be in this case are a greasy POS bureaucrat (law enforcer, not law maker) Sheriff Tom Dart and mega financial institutions, not the strong arm of the law. Sheriff Dickface wrote some strongly worded letters to credit card companies explaining the exploitation, trafficking and pimping that happens in this "violent industry", "driving the demand and increasing the enslavement of prostituted individuals". It was in short total horseshit but any good company doesn't want to be associated with such behavior so it was easy to get them to change their policies. It's hard to make what we do any more illegal at worst the penalties get more harsh. But now we have to worry about the everyday companies and products we rely on to do our business changing their policies on a whim and leaving thousands of providers without options. The Morality Police are way scarier and pose a bigger threat than actual LE. I don't honestly believe that we are being watched any more now than before all this happened, the puritans are just trying to find any way they can to put a stop to what they believe is so wrong. The dust will never settle because this business is constantly under attack in some way or another and I say support BP during this time. They may ultimately be fighting to continue making piles of money but if so they are still inadvertently helping so many people. Providers are able to continue to make a living and pay their bills and rent on time. BackPage also makes a powerful statement. I for one am grateful and think it was an awesome move on their part. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 7, 2015 Excellent post, Luce. ... BackPage also makes a powerful statement. I for one am grateful and think it was an awesome move on their part. From earlier in your post: ...The Morality Police are way scarier and pose a bigger threat than actual LE. ... Being tried in the press & court of public opinion is never a good thing. - While we may not agree with Donald Trumps remarks, consider this: does the punishment fit the crime? Should he be stripped of business deals, contracts broken? - While the Charleston, SC shooter wrapped himself in the Stars & Bars, is that really cause to tear down all Confederate memorials & monuments? Should we be trying to re-write the history of the bloodiest war this country has every fought? (I think not because there are lessons to be learned from that history.) The Morality Police and the Politically Correct are two sides of the same totalitarian coin. Imposing their values, besmearing reputations and wrecking havoc on the lives of millions. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 7, 2015 https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/07/06/man-charged-connection-with-murder-woman-inside-extended-stay-america-burlington/FtcfErggw23h5rlDPi3MRI/story.html While not explicitly stated in the article, I would hazard a guess that this might be a reverse of the Burlington situation (ASP attacks client?) described in the above article. http://kdvr.com/2015/07/07/woman-20-wanted-for-attacking-man-64-after-meeting-online-surrenders-to-loveland-police/ 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 7, 2015 Being tried in the press & court of public opinion is never a good thing. - While we may not agree with Donald Trumps remarks, consider this: does the punishment fit the crime? Should he be stripped of business deals, contracts broken? - While the Charleston, SC shooter wrapped himself in the Stars & Bars, is that really cause to tear down all Confederate memorials & monuments? Should we be trying to re-write the history of the bloodiest war this country has every fought? (I think not because there are lessons to be learned from that history.) The Morality Police and the Politically Correct are two sides of the same totalitarian coin. Imposing their values, besmearing reputations and wrecking havoc on the lives of millions. While this post is a try(not a very good one, I might add) to promulgate a political agenda that has no place on this board, I would remind you: Trump's censure had little, if anything, to do with "Political Correctness" or "The Morality Police". He said something stupid(his right) and his business partners dissolved their relationship with him(their right as well). Likewise, with the Battle Flag of Virginia: it has nothing to do with Political Correctness; but has everything to do with citizens of their respective states deciding if they want a blatantly racist symbol on their flag. If Visa/MC/BP et al don't want to be seen facilitating prostitution, it's their prerogative. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 8, 2015 I would point out that the "Freedom of Association" arguments you (Mr.Reindeer) trotted out are the same ones used to justify discrimination. While they may allow one to not initiate a business deal, where do these arguments provide for breaking legal contracts already in place? It's unfortunate that when the dust settles and the countersuits are resolved, the story will be page 6 below the fold. The "political agenda" I was complaining about was the one which condoned trial by media, where a sense of fairness and appropriate levels of punishment seem to be lacking. My examples were from current events. I object to the mob rule of both the Morality Police(conservatives) and the Politically Correct(liberals). We are supposed to be a nation of laws, of just punishments, not disproportionate retribution at the whim of a mob. Yet another current event with trial by media/public opinion occurred yesterday. Upon being served a search warrant (no allegations of wrong doing, no charges, no trial, no conviction) an individual is relieved of his job as spokesman for a fast food chain. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 9, 2015 I would point out that the "Freedom of Association" arguments you (Mr.Reindeer) trotted out are the same ones used to justify discrimination. While they may allow one to not initiate a business deal, where do these arguments provide for breaking legal contracts already in place? It's unfortunate that when the dust settles and the countersuits are resolved, the story will be page 6 below the fold. The "political agenda" I was complaining about was the one which condoned trial by media, where a sense of fairness and appropriate levels of punishment seem to be lacking. My examples were from current events. I object to the mob rule of both the Morality Police(conservatives) and the Politically Correct(liberals). We are supposed to be a nation of laws, of just punishments, not disproportionate retribution at the whim of a mob. Yet another current event with trial by media/public opinion occurred yesterday. Upon being served a search warrant (no allegations of wrong doing, no charges, no trial, no conviction) an individual is relieved of his job as spokesman for a fast food chain. Freedom of Speech(or Association) does not equate with freedom from consequences. If the contract for Mr Trump or Jared as a representative of [insert Company Here] is worth the paper it's printed on, it will contain a clause indicating that if said representative does or says something colossally stupid that could reflect badly on the company in question, they would be well within their rights to dissolve the contract without penalty. The Presumption of Innocence only applies to Government intervention; I don't know what planet you've been living on, The Court of Public Opinion has been in session for as long as there's been a public. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
