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Ladies!! Why is this month slow?

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Lucy, the question was asked and I answered it on what I thought was a viable reason. Sometime the price is just to high. When someone wonders why it's slow and someone says "it might be due to price creep". No matter what you think or say that's a possibility because as Laplace pointed out we are all men of varying means. Varying being the key word. As the price "creeps" the pool of possible clients gets smaller. Anyway I'm not upset about the feedback at all. I welcome CONSTRUCTIVE feedback. However calling me a whiner isn't feedback at all. It's not a well though out argument on how my opinion carries no weight because of whatever counterpoint that was brought up is a better solution. It was just a personal attack on myself and my opinion. So Lucy, if you want to bring some well thought out arguments to the party against what I said by discussing supply, demand, commodity pricing, (yes sex is a commodity)  the price of tea in China then by all means please do. However if you want to bring your normal ramblings where you try and say it in such an authoritative manner to actually disguise its inherent silliness then by all means do that as well since as you put it out there, this is a discussion board so what the fuck!!! Let's discuss!! How's that for passive aggressive!!!!

Not that I want this to turn into a price thread but here I go full speed ahead.  I have noticed price creep in the last 4-6 months. Not much but around 20-30 average for some ladies. I think we are recovering but not that well. Ok back in to topic. Yes it's been horribly slow for me. 😜

Just so we can compare. Your OP does not substantiate any of the claims you made after. Either you really suck at expressing yourself or you're backpedaling.

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I didn't call you a whiner. Read again. I replied with just a few sentences. You said the rates are higher so maybe we're on the way to recovery that's what you said. I replied with higher rates don't indicate recovery. That was literally it.I offered an opinion on your attempts to make it a rate thread. Your attempst to paint me as some big bad wolf don't hold up. If you had actually said that higher rates make for slower business I would have agreed with you but it's not what you said.

I made a few valid comments as to why it might be slow if you cared to read them. You don't have to like me but I do offer substance and valid opinions. If you don't want to acknowledge them that's fine but then don't engage. Insulting me only makes you look foolish and quite a few people here appreciate my "ramblings". Like I said you don't have to like me or even agree with me but you could show me some respect and not subtly insult me. It's very immature.

You wanna have a real conversation about escort economics? I am pretty well versed after six years.

 

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Edited 1 hour ago by Wannabebad 
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I love this! 

Translation: I'm losing the argument, I have no good response, so I'll run away, rather than admit defeat! LOL! :lol:

 

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I love this! 

Translation: I'm losing the argument, I have no good response, so I'll run away, rather than admit defeat! LOL! :lol:

NOW who's stirring the pot 🙄. Yes Pfunk I admit it. I have lost. Of course the all mighty Lucy with her well thought out retorts and comebacks has beaten me to a pulp. I'm a challenger on the ropes, I'm going down for the count. The logic behind every one of her rambling...ummm I mean cohesive arguments is irrefutable. No room at all to fight back....I'm a beaten man? I'm sad 😩. HOWEVER!!! still think, in regards to the original question, it could be slow because some be asking TO MUCH for their gooooooolllllden pussies!!!!  🤘

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"Specials don't work in this scenario. It's doesn't increase your number of clients it just decreases the money you make."

"If you had actually said that higher rates make for slower business I would have agreed with you"

"You wanna have a real conversation about escort economics? I am pretty well versed after six years."

I think I've got it now. Thanks for clearing this up.

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"Specials don't work in this scenario. It's doesn't increase your number of clients it just decreases the money you make."

"If you had actually said that higher rates make for slower business I would have agreed with you"

"You wanna have a real conversation about escort economics? I am pretty well versed after six years."

I think I've got it now. Thanks for clearing this up.

Just so there is no further confusion. Dropping higher rates does not mean specials. The increase in rates is totally unrelated to actual business and a whole other subject. Ladies aren't raising rates because business is good, it's a ripple effect. A couple of ladies raise their prices and others see them and do the same. Higher rates reduce business because what was once maybe two or three visits with the "hobby" budget turns into one visit. So a couple of higher priced ladies reduces the chances for others. The amount of money that clients have to spend at any one time doesn't fluctuate as quickly and the number of new clients is not equal to the number of new providers. Higher prices are more often than not used as a way to distinguish oneself as higher class and aren't a good indicator of business.

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NOW who's stirring the pot 🙄. Yes Pfunk I admit it. I have lost. Of course the all mighty Lucy with her well thought out retorts and comebacks has beaten me to a pulp. I'm a challenger on the ropes, I'm going down for the count. The logic behind every one of her rambling...ummm I mean cohesive arguments is irrefutable. No room at all to fight back....I'm a beaten man? I'm sad 😩. HOWEVER!!! still think, in regards to the original question, it could be slow because some be asking TO MUCH for their gooooooolllllden pussies!!!!  🤘

Look we get it you don't like me. If you want to make it personal take it to PMs. If you had some valid arguments I am waiting to hear them. You're still ignoring the fact that you didn't answer the question. Don't make it so obvious that you're threatened by intelligence and unwilling to have an actual discussion. I addressed your point and rather than act like an adult you turn around and try to put me down.

If that was really your stance, I repeat, I would have agreed with you. But it's not what you said and now instead if just insulting me you just insulted a bunch of providers by suggesting they have GPS. No one but you said my "claims" were irrefutable. The only claim I made in this thread is that slow business probably has to do with limited advertising venues and saturation.

I will say it for the like the third time, if you don't like me don't make it personal. I am more than willing to have an actual discussion but you would have to stop the mud slinging first. Not agreeing doesn't make my posts matter less, but thanks for trying.

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Dropping higher rates does not mean specials. 

It would be a special to me. There are a couple of ladies currently priced just beyond my comfort zone that would make a nice Xmas gift to myself if they would ease up a bit.

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The so called slow down, I have heard has been going on for years. It always does happen around the two up coming holidays. I have heard it then picks up again around February. In any business if business is slow, IMO you lower your price. Or the so called specials. Personally around the holidays if a lady is at $$$$ and another lady is offering a special, I am definitely going with the specials. 

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No woman's pussy shoots out gold, ping pong balls yes :) If you are just wanting to buy pussy, you can hit Colfax with 80 bucks or less.

It is an incredibly tough decision to look in the mirror and put a price on yourself. Define your self worth? I see ladies that charge $1000/hr and wonder, what does she have going on that any of the rest of us don't. That is her decision to price herself, not mine or anyone else's. No one should feel it is okay to tell us what we charge is too high. It is our decision. You are not paying me for my pussy. You are showing me generosity for the risk I take, the time I give, the affection I provide, the confidentiality I keep, the respect I give, and the effort I make.

Peoples priorities change around the holidays that is all. Even the restaurant business things slow during the holidays. People are travelling to be with family, not chase skirts. Let us also toss in the uncertainty of the world at the moment. We have major crises happening. Many of our clients work in industries that are affected by that.

As for running specials, I am not a fan. We are not a blue light specials, we are people. You picked that price for a reason. It is your self worth. The man that comes to see you during a special will always want that price. If a gentleman wants you he will save his nickels and dimes. Your job is to acknowledge that and give him the best time ever.

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HOWEVER!!! still think, in regards to the original question, it could be slow because some be asking TO MUCH for their gooooooolllllden pussies!!!!  🤘

I ran this through Boink's hobby translator: "The money I can afford to spend, won't get me the hot girls I want...waaaaah!" :lol:

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No woman's pussy shoots out gold, ping pong balls yes :) If you are just wanting to buy pussy, you can hit Colfax with 80 bucks or less.

It is an incredibly tough decision to look in the mirror and put a price on yourself. Define your self worth? I see ladies that charge $1000/hr and wonder, what does she have going on that any of the rest of us don't. That is her decision to price herself, not mine or anyone else's. No one should feel it is okay to tell us what we charge is too high. It is our decision. You are not paying me for my pussy. You are showing me generosity for the risk I take, the time I give, the affection I provide, the confidentiality I keep, the respect I give, and the effort I make.

Peoples priorities change around the holidays that is all. Even the restaurant business things slow during the holidays. People are travelling to be with family, not chase skirts. Let us also toss in the uncertainty of the world at the moment. We have major crises happening. Many of our clients work in industries that are affected by that.

As for running specials, I am not a fan. We are not a blue light specials, we are people. You picked that price for a reason. It is your self worth. The man that comes to see you during a special will always want that price. If a gentleman wants you he will save his nickels and dimes. Your job is to acknowledge that and give him the best time ever.

I was going to highlight the parts of your post that were extremely well stated and on point, but then I realized the whole damn post is.  Very well done!!

Now about the ping pong balls ......... THAT I would love to see in person.  But is it an up-charge?? :lol:

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... You picked that price for a reason. It is your self worth. ...

 I was going to stay out of this, but couldn't let ^this^ remark stand. 

Ladies, what you charge is NOT your "self worth". It is what value the market places on your services. You may charge $5K/session and see one client/month or $100/session and run them through like a car wash for the same income, but neither of these scenarios define you as a person. They do NOT define your self worth. That comes from your character, your treatment of others and yourself. 

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As for running specials, I am not a fan. We are not a blue light specials, we are people. You picked that price for a reason. It is your self worth. 

Point taken. The only part of the above I might take issue with is the "self worth" notion. I just don't see it that way.

My services are priced by the day, but they are always negotiable. Yours and most providers are not. In fact, negotiation is usually expressly forbidden. So on the client side we are simply left to select from those we feel can afford, and wonder about those we cannot. And that's ok, 

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Hmmm... Apparently Pueblo doesn't celebrate Christmas! Or the guys there buy themselves early Xmas presents... Either way, it seems to work out for you lovely ladies. ;)

If you are selling water in Seattle it is a tough sell - but bring it to the Sahara and the customers line up!! Very few oases in Pueblo, lotsa thirsty guys.

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Lowering your rates doesn't make any sense when you have fewer clients. All I am seeing is an attempt to get girls to lower their rates to appease you without understanding why they don't make sense.

The so called slow down, I have heard has been going on for years. It always does happen around the two up coming holidays. I have heard it then picks up again around February. In any business if business is slow, IMO you lower your price. Or the so called specials. Personally around the holidays if a lady is at $$$$ and another lady is offering a special, I am definitely going with the special

 

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 I was going to stay out of this, but couldn't let ^this^ remark stand. 

Ladies, what you charge is NOT your "self worth". It is what value the market places on your services. You may charge $5K/session and see one client/month or $100/session and run them through like a car wash for the same income, but neither of these scenarios define you as a person. They do NOT define your self worth. That comes from your character, your treatment of others and yourself. 

But so many confuse the market with their own personal wants as is apparent from the guys who say drop the rates because it helps me! Do many ladies conflate self worth with what the market will bear? Yes but who are we to call them out? There are just as many guys who ignore the economic principles by basing their opinions on what serves them best.

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When I first became aware of the internet version of the business about 7 years ago, the typical price for a reasonably certain, legitimate, desirable lady that i thought I could be sure to have a very good overall experience with for a couple hours, was in the range of $200-$300 per hour and varied greatly for adjustments to 2 or more hours and seemed to reflect ladies' preference for or against longer sessions.  Checking today, that pretty much remains the range, so I do not get the frequent threads over the years complaining about inflation, rate creep, etc. As far as wanting specials and badgering ladies into lower rates - I guess if I wanted a fifteen minute session with all the personal interaction and connection of a glory hole I would sweat 20 or 30 bucks one way or the other.  But that is not remotely what I am looking for.  The only difference a rate makes is I unfortunately do have limits on revenue, so going way beyond the stated range would require cutting down on the number of experiences which makes no sense as long as the ones in range remain very, very enjoyable.

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Lowering your rates doesn't make any sense when you have fewer clients. All I am seeing is an attempt to get girls to lower their rates to appease you without understanding why they don't make sense.

Well raise your rates then and see if you get more clients. It is always slow around these two holiday seasons. If a lady sees it is slow she better come up with a way to change that, just like any other business. 

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Well raise your rates then and see if you get more clients. It is always slow around these two holiday seasons. If a lady sees it is slow she better come up with a way to change that, just like any other business. 

Lucy already explained that both lower rates and higher rates means less business. It must be a Goldilocks thing... the rate has to be just right.

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No woman's pussy shoots out gold, ping pong balls yes :) 

 

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Lucy already explained that both lower rates and higher rates means less business. It must be a Goldilocks thing... the rate has to be just right.

No I never said that. I said lowering your rate when there are fewer customers doesn't make sense. It doesn't magically make the phone ring like crazy. There is a "goldilocks" rate. It's what your market will bear. Every business does the same thing, they test prices to see what model works best.

No one makes money if everyone is 500 an hour

If there are no calls coming in offering a special doesn't make a difference because clients don't materialize out of nowhere. If everyone decides to run a special because times are slow then all those specials are meaningless and we are back in the same boat. make sense now?

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Lowering your rates doesn't make any sense when you have fewer clients. All I am seeing is an attempt to get girls to lower their rates to appease you without understanding why they don't make sense.

If this is the case why not make the rates higher?

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 I was going to stay out of this, but couldn't let ^this^ remark stand. 

Ladies, what you charge is NOT your "self worth". It is what value the market places on your services. You may charge $5K/session and see one client/month or $100/session and run them through like a car wash for the same income, but neither of these scenarios define you as a person. They do NOT define your self worth. That comes from your character, your treatment of others and yourself. 

Your self worth is a part of your value in the market, in any job. On the flip side, we gain self worth when we do a good job.

If we are going to put this into an employer/employee situation, then I will explain better. I work at my day job for x-amount per hour. I am not going to go to work one day and tell my boss, "Hey why don't I work for you less today, you don't need to pay me that much." No one would.

My boss can fire me and hire someone at minimum wage. Will this person have my education or years of experience? Probably not.

Bit Banger I understand what you are trying to say, but it is our self worth as a good worker. People gain a sense of worth from being a good person, good mother/father, good friend, and good employee, I bring to the table the same work ethic in escorting as I do my real job.

In both my day job and my escorting job I need to have a big heart.

What doesn't need to happen here, is we are considered merchandise that can be bought or put on sale prices. The thread was getting close to that. I am not selling my pussy. I am providing a service that is really important. I have the well being of a person in my hands for an hour or two.

Nikki this is for you:

 

 

 

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If this is the case why not make the rates higher?

Because that has nothing to do with the price of corn. Lowering rates when times are slow was the topic. It doesn't work. Ladies have to pick a number that gets them the amount of business they need sometimes that's raising prices and sometimes that means lowering prices.

 

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Here's an idea for the men who think this is about pussy being a commodity. Get an "upscale" incall, take out ads, post real pics of yourself and start blowing other men for money. Use the same savvy and marketing skills that have made you so successful in your careers and apply them to your new escorting business. When you've done that come back to TOB and enlighten us all, share all your wonderful strategies. Tell us how your experience had no effect whatsoever on your self perception. Hell, you may convince me to book an appointment...if you're running a special.

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I thought this thread was about the slow holidays.  Don't we already have another thread going about the whole real life job vs provider job argument?  I think it's Cut The Chit-Chat if I remember correctly...

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Here's an idea for the men who think this is about pussy being a commodity. Get an "upscale" incall, take out ads, post real pics of yourself and start blowing other men for money. Use the same savvy and marketing skills that have made you so successful in your careers and apply them to your new escorting business. When you've done that come back to TOB and enlighten us all, share all your wonderful strategies. Tell us how your experience had no effect whatsoever on your self perception. Hell, you may convince me to book an appointment...if you're running a special.

A-fucking-men.

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I thought this thread was about the slow holidays.  Don't we already have another thread going about the whole real life job vs provider job argument?  I think it's Cut The Chit-Chat if I remember correctly...

It wasn't actually about the slow holidays. It's about why is it currently so slow. The title is "Ladies, why is this month so slow!?!" The real life job vs provider job comes into play whenever non-providers like to call pussy a commodity and compare it to all these different jobs when they don't actually have a clue how being a provider works.

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