Kandi Apple

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Funny. That is exactly the point she was making. Time wasting fools, who are not customers, call to chat. There is no difference. Get it?

Keyser probably should have added the word potential in front of customer to make his point clearer.

I work in sales and field plenty of calls and emails from potential customers inquiring about products that they may not end up buying.  They are doing their due dilgence researching the product they are interested in.  A lot of them end up not buying the product.  It's just the nature of a competative industry.

 

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For the sole purpose of outing if he don't book you? Dammmm, very bold sweetheart. 

You must have a really good imagination these days Lucy. So, stop your lie's. I do not blame ALL providers. (I do blame the ones who are scandalous) Lucy, If your going to accuse me of something, at lease accuse me of something, I am actually guilty of. DUHHHHHH LMAO!!!! You don't get the option of bossing me around! One thing I notice about you, "you TRY to control" Good luck with that, you'll never get that option with me.  :rolleyes::P 

I was trying to make a point which flew way over your head. That had nothing to do with outing that's just you thinking that all girls want to out people except yourself. Read your posts, every single one of them is about not trusting providers.

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We have so many providers who operate differently. What one provider allows, another bitches about it. It no wonder the guys get confused.

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So true. And the ratio of A vs. B changes over time. Years ago outcall was the rage, then incall became common.  The etiquette of envelopes has changed as well. 

Life goes on.  

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 I'm not dating escorts. This is some fun during free time, for the guys.

No shit? Your name isn't John either. Get it now? Not dating, date.

 However, we do need to respect each other's time, regardless of the profession. 

Is there something you'd like to get off your chest?

 

 

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I have another thought on the subject. My schedule these days is chaotic to say the least, so a lot of the time I am not able to see someone. Sometimes though, I will strike up a conversation that flows so easy you feel like you have known them for years. This happened very recently. A guy contacted me and we kept missing each other. We had an opportunity to meet but briefly and not for time and companionship. He asked if he could compensate me for a last minute cancellation (class act and RARE). So we met. What was supposed to be 10 minutes turned into an hour and a half of just meeting and talking and laughing. By the time we actually met for time and companionship everything fell into place like long lost friends. Granted this was many conversations by phone and e mail. I LOVE it when this happens, and I miss that is doesn't happen more. It used to happen all the time.

I get a more than a few questions out of this. WHY is this not normal? and WHY is this a bad thing? Back in the day this was normal, and I have several friends out of the deal. So while some people don't like to chit chat and think it is a waste of time, you can actually benefit from it. This of course is the difference between wanting regulars and a wham bam thank you ma'am.

*****GRANTED, I REALIZE SOME GUYS TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS. A TRULY PROFESSIONAL LADY CAN RECOGNIZE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A TIME WASTER AND A GENUINELY INTERESTED GUY IN LIKE 5   OR LESS.***** 

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Why should I commit any of my valuable time to convince you? ...

... Ladies first have to have enticing advertising and then they have to have reviews to back it up and then we are wanted to prove ourselves worthy on the phone...

No one really has the time to spend as much as five minutes at a time talking to clients who may or may not book. ...

Do you consider the time and money we put into our marketing?

 

Maybe this summarizes part of the thread:

Statement 1: Chit-chat is a lot of work that in many cases is a waste of time because it doesn't lead to produce any income.

Statement 2: The ladies have to deal with unpleasant people, on the phone/email or in person.

Statement 3: Besides, we should take into consideration that the ladies are already putting a lot of work and money in enticing ads and marketing.

Statement 4: On top of that, they have to provide a high quality service in order to have good reviews and returning customers, in order to generate more income.
 
All of the above is true. We all agree with that.

So... I would say... welcome to the real world!! :D

That's the way millions of people make a living in hundreds of different fields: Part of the time, money and hard work invested will not generate any income at all. But indirectly and as part of a global strategy those are wisely invested resources.

Life is tough, but that's the way it is.
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Life is tough. The escort business is not that tough lol. Dangerous and risky yes... tough no lol. Any woman could throw up an ad on BP with crap pictures that may or may not even be hers lol. Yet still men will call her.

I am unclear why we are trying to "control" the time wasters??

I am extremely clear on all my advertising that I only see men 40 years and older. Do people under 40 still call? Yes lol. I can not control that. What I can control is sending one text that asks how that person is doing. My very next text will be to ask their age. So I only waste about 1-2 minutes of my time communicating with a person under 40. I don't shoot texts back and forth for 35 minutes only to find out then that they are under 40.

You can not control whether time wasters call or not. You can control what questions you ask in the beginning to weed these people out.

Example: If someone shoots me a text, "Hi there. Saw your ad, and think you look great. Would you like to hang out?" This raises a red flag! I already know this person has a 90% chance of being a time waster. Now when I get this text I immediately reply back, "Do you mean an appointment? My rates are blah, blah. How long of an appointment were you wanting?" This way there is no confusion between that man and me that I expect a compensated appointment, and do not wish to simply hang out. They usually get the hint, and move on very quickly. My time wasted is under 2-5 minutes.

My point to this long winded post, lol, is this... Learn the right questions to ask, and learn how to read into what people are saying/texting. 

I have spent my life in sales jobs. My closing ratios at those jobs were fantastic. My closing ratio in the escort business is extremely low. If I were an employee I would probably have been let go by now lol. In this business you will have to kiss a lot of frogs to find a prince. Meaning you are going to have to spend a lot of time doing stuff that amounts to absolutely nothing in order to find a few qualified men that amount to successful dates.

It sucks. It's frustrating. It makes things less fun and exciting. Times wasters are extremely annoying! However it is the nature of this beast. Screening is a necessary evil that involves more than just making sure someone is not a rapist, psycho, robber, killer or LE. Unfortunately this means spending my precious time dealing with both those who are really wanting a date, or those just wanting to waste my time.

Is all that work worth it to me? Heck Yes! I love/enjoy this job, find it financially/physically advantageous and have no desire to go back into the corporate world ever again...

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To all who think idle chit-chat isn't time wasting, can I have your work number? You know just to say hi and ask a few questions? And maybe we can get together sometime in the future. Maybe.

I just heard a mic drop. This answer is brilliant!

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Life is tough. The escort business is not that tough lol. Dangerous and risky yes... tough no lol. Any woman could throw up an ad on BP with crap pictures that may or may not even be hers lol. Yet still men will call her.

I am unclear why we are trying to "control" the time wasters??

I am extremely clear on all my advertising that I only see men 40 years and older. Do people under 40 still call? Yes lol. I can not control that. What I can control is sending one text that asks how that person is doing. My very next text will be to ask their age. So I only waste about 1-2 minutes of my time communicating with a person under 40. I don't shoot texts back and forth for 35 minutes only to find out then that they are under 40.

You can not control whether time wasters call or not. You can control what questions you ask in the beginning to weed these people out.

Example: If someone shoots me a text, "Hi there. Saw your ad, and think you look great. Would you like to hang out?" This raises a red flag! I already know this person has a 90% chance of being a time waster. Now when I get this text I immediately reply back, "Do you mean an appointment? My rates are blah, blah. How long of an appointment were you wanting?" This way there is no confusion between that man and me that I expect a compensated appointment, and do not wish to simply hang out. They usually get the hint, and move on very quickly. My time wasted is under 2-5 minutes.

My point to this long winded post, lol, is this... Learn the right questions to ask, and learn how to read into what people are saying/texting. 

I have spent my life in sales jobs. My closing ratios at those jobs were fantastic. My closing ratio in the escort business is extremely low. If I were an employee I would probably have been let go by now lol. In this business you will have to kiss a lot of frogs to find a prince. Meaning you are going to have to spend a lot of time doing stuff that amounts to absolutely nothing in order to find a few qualified men that amount to successful dates.

It sucks. It's frustrating. It makes things less fun and exciting. Times wasters are extremely annoying! However it is the nature of this beast. Screening is a necessary evil that involves more than just making sure someone is not a rapist, psycho, robber, killer or LE. Unfortunately this means spending my precious time dealing with both those who are really wanting a date, or those just wanting to waste my time.

Is all that work worth it to me? Heck Yes! I love/enjoy this job, find it financially/physically advantageous and have no desire to go back into the corporate world ever again...

I would suggest that the above is the brilliant answer. Scarlett I am going to guess that you kicked some serious ass in the corporate world before the frustration and BS took u away from it. I like the way you think. I might just ad that had the OP used a term other than chit chat to describe time wasting it would likely be a much different thread. Likely not as active or as controversial but very different.  Perhaps she was intentional  with that rhetoric. If she was she was genius, because this has been the hottest thread in a long time

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I would suggest that the above is the brilliant answer. Scarlett I am going to guess that you kicked some serious ass in the corporate world before the frustration and BS took u away from it. I like the way you think. I might just ad that had the OP used a term other than chit chat to describe time wasting it would likely be a much different thread. Likely not as active or as controversial but very different.  Perhaps she was intentional  with that rhetoric. If she was she was genius, because this has been the hottest thread in a long time

Possibly lol. I am a bit of a firecracker lol.

The funny thing is that I left the corporate world because the company I worked for was always requiring that I make very unethical decisions. My job was always on the line unless I brought in a certain dollar amount from each of my properties. This always meant having my employees lie their asses off to get the sale. I just couldn't do it anymore. I had such a burden of guilt looming over my head at all times. 

Most people would find this extremely ironic coming from an escort LOL?

Outside of being an escort I am a really good person who tries to be an honest and trustworthy person. Though... We all need a dirty little secret in our lives to keep things spicy lol hee hee ;-)~

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Most people would find this extremely ironic coming from an escort LOL?

Outside of being an escort I am a really good person who tries to be an honest and trustworthy person. Though... We all need a dirty little secret in our lives to keep things spicy lol hee hee ;-)~

And why should being an escort alter your being "an honest and trustworthy person."?  I have found most escorts to be such. Yes, we all have stories about the less than honest, but that does not describe the majority. 

Do NOT sell yourself short!

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Possibly lol. I am a bit of a firecracker lol.

The funny thing is that I left the corporate world because the company I worked for was always requiring that I make very unethical decisions. My job was always on the line unless I brought in a certain dollar amount from each of my properties. This always meant having my employees lie their asses off to get the sale. I just couldn't do it anymore. I had such a burden of guilt looming over my head at all times. 

Most people would find this extremely ironic coming from an escort LOL?

Outside of being an escort I am a really good person who tries to be an honest and trustworthy person. Though... We all need a dirty little secret in our lives to keep things spicy lol hee hee ;-)~

you didn't happen to decide to quit a certain property management/reality company with a "hot air" balloon as a logo?   HATE them !

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Possibly lol. I am a bit of a firecracker lol.

The funny thing is that I left the corporate world because the company I worked for was always requiring that I make very unethical decisions. My job was always on the line unless I brought in a certain dollar amount from each of my properties. This always meant having my employees lie their asses off to get the sale. I just couldn't do it anymore. I had such a burden of guilt looming over my head at all times. 

Most people would find this extremely ironic coming from an escort LOL?

Outside of being an escort I am a really good person who tries to be an honest and trustworthy person. Though... We all need a dirty little secret in our lives to keep things spicy lol hee hee ;-)~

I'm not surprised at all of your ethical dilemma with your former profession and I really don't see the irony. As long as you're doing what you want to do now and can rest easily at night, it is no one's business.

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I get a more than a few questions out of this. WHY is this not normal? and WHY is this a bad thing? Back in the day this was normal, and I have several friends out of the deal. So while some people don't like to chit chat and think it is a waste of time, you can actually benefit from it. This of course is the difference between wanting regulars and a wham bam thank you ma'am.

*****GRANTED, I REALIZE SOME GUYS TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS. A TRULY PROFESSIONAL LADY CAN RECOGNIZE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A TIME WASTER AND A GENUINELY INTERESTED GUY IN LIKE 5   OR LESS.***** 

^!YES!^ thank you!

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It's you in the long run that will miss out. If you are calling to just get to know me without the intention of booking at the time of the phone call then it's you that can't see the forest for the trees. Why should I commit any of my valuable time to convince you? Do you actually follow up with those that you don't decide to see? My guess is probably not.

I am not missing out on anything EXCEPT wasting hours of my time and significant money on a session with someone I will not enjoy spending time around.

There is an unreasonable amount of expectation associated with this. Ladies first have to have enticing advertising and then they have to have reviews to back it up and then we are wanted to prove ourselves worthy on the phone. No one really has the time to spend as much as five minutes at a time talking to clients who may or may not book. What makes you such a special snowflake that you should be the exception? Do you consider the time and money we put into our marketing?

I have said it a few times and I think there is confusion, I am not opposed to chit-chat with someone who is calling to book but I have all the issues in the world with the guy who is just checking to see if we're a good fit.  I thought I made it clear that the only reason I call is with the intention to book, having done research, etc. A very few moments of your time either confirms what I thought and we are good to go, or makes it clear it just won't work.

btw you seem to have plenty of time to waste arguing endlessly here for the sole purpose of arguing.  "30 seconds to 5 minutes tops" is too much time to waste on someone intending to book at least an hour and probably two????  You have every right to run your business as you see fit  and by all means do not need to accommodate my preferences.  No harm, no foul.  But I prefer sessions measured in hours, not minutes and  it is usually an hour or two of drive time involved.  So MY preferences require some degree of "fit".  If you can't give me five minutes (max!) of your time to verify a good vibe and feeling about what is to come I will move on and wish you a very pleasant day and good luck..

 

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Keyser probably should have added the word potential in front of customer to make his point clearer.

I work in sales and field plenty of calls and emails from potential customers inquiring about products that they may not end up buying.  They are doing their due dilgence researching the product they are interested in.  A lot of them end up not buying the product.  It's just the nature of a competative industry.

 

So you don't tell these potential customers to buy something or fuck off?

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So you don't tell these potential customers to buy something of fuck off?

LOL.. Boink I wish I could!  However, I work in a high tech industry that has been commoditized.  We build a product that takes 3 years to bring to market and our customers pay less to buy a toaster than what they pay for our product.  We are a 15 billion dollar a year company and fight tooth and nail for every sale.  There are lots of times I would love to say fuck off, but I would be in the unemployment office the next day and I can't offer what these lovely ladies offer so I would be just another Joe. :-)

Thank god the product these beautiful ladies offer has not been commoditized (other than a few of the posters here that seem to believe the kitty is already a commodity) yet!  They can still offer services that differentiate themselves!

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btw you seem to have plenty of time to waste arguing endlessly here for the sole purpose of arguing.  "30 seconds to 5 minutes tops" is too much time to waste on someone intending to book at least an hour and probably two????  You have every right to run your business as you see fit  and by all means do not need to accommodate my preferences.  No harm, no foul.  But I prefer sessions measured in hours, not minutes and  it is usually an hour or two of drive time involved.  So MY preferences require some degree of "fit".  If you can't give me five minutes (max!) of your time to verify a good vibe and feeling about what is to come I will move on and wish you a very pleasant day and good luck..

 

 

Are you just now understanding the nature of this forum? It is a perfect arena for both sides of the envelope to determine compatability at their leisure.

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So you don't tell these potential customers to buy something of fuck off?

As she referenced previously, unless he's going to potentially suck the potential customers dick, I don't think that point of reference is entirely valid.

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LOL.. Boink I wish I could!  However, I work in a high tech industry that has been commoditized.  We build a product that takes 3 years to bring to market and our customers pay less to buy a toaster than what they pay for our product.  We are a 15 billion dollar a year company and fight tooth and nail for every sale.  There are lots of times I would love to say fuck off, but I would be in the unemployment office the next day and I can't offer what these lovely ladies offer so I would be just another Joe. :-)

Thank god the product these beautiful ladies offer has not been commoditized (other than a few of the posters here that seem to believe the kitty is already a commodity) yet!  They can still offer services that differentiate themselves!

LOL so a lady has an opinion ( I can only assume that I am clumped into your passive aggressive statement) and you assume my kitty is a commodity? Or that I treat it as such? Maybe I just have more respect for myself and my time than you do?

All of those that insist on comparing escorting to real world industry are clueless. Those who say they have to field the questions don't have clients that see you naked. So by all means continue to put ladies down but know that you're doing it out of ignorance.

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Thank god the product these beautiful ladies offer has not been commoditized (other than a few of the posters here that seem to believe the kitty is already a commodity) yet!  They can still offer services that differentiate themselves!

Lucy,

You might want to re-read what Riggo said. 

There are many valid comparisons of escorting with the real world. Nor is it the most dangerous or intimate professional choice a person could make. 

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Those who say they have to field the questions don't have clients that see you naked. 

I'm thinking of starting this as a policy for my clients. I wonder if it will cut down on the time wasting?

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LOL so a lady has an opinion ( I can only assume that I am clumped into your passive aggressive statement) and you assume my kitty is a commodity? Or that I treat it as such? Maybe I just have more respect for myself and my time than you do?

All of those that insist on comparing escorting to real world industry are clueless. Those who say they have to field the questions don't have clients that see you naked. So by all means continue to put ladies down but know that you're doing it out of ignorance.

Ouch Lucy!  Like Bit Banger suggests, please reread my post.  I was just explaining to Boink why I can't say f off in my commotized industry.

The 2nd half just stated that your lovely bits (or any of the other fine ladies here) are NOT a commodity.  Peace out.

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It is apparent to me that what is being marketed in this industry is not a commodity but an experience. One that is unique in someways due social bias etc. but that aside not so different than a massage a pedicure or any number of personal services. The simple fact that marketing is involved clearly implies that selling and purchasing is the end goal. It has become very apparent that there exists a wide range of choices in terms of how that marketing is done. I would venture to submit that the mere fact that all of us post on this site is a result of us marketing ourselves in someway. I have some hope that if I need some street cred my posts here will give the impression that I am a thoughtful person that has learned to choose my words wisely and well thought out.  I can only believe that providers post in order to create some name recognition and perhaps create some sense of who they are. Otherwise it would be a huge waste of very precious time. One somewhat loquacious and sometimes vociferous contributor has posted over 2350 times since becoming a member, at (just guessing) 5 minutes per post, which may or may not include reading time is nearly 200 hours spent. It seems like some may use their time posting on a forum as a means of marketing and others may take a few minutes here and there to chit chat. Nothing wrong with either strategy in my humble opinion. 

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All of those that insist on comparing escorting to real world industry are clueless. Those who say they have to field the questions don't have clients that see you naked.

Okay, granted, this one a big difference.

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Lucy,

You might want to re-read what Riggo said. 

There are many valid comparisons of escorting with the real world. Nor is it the most dangerous or intimate professional choice a person could make. 

There aren't really many valid comparisons. There are comparisons that people make to justify their behaviors. I would also appreciate the not putting words in my mouth I never mentioned it was the most dangerous but it is by far the most intimate.

When you job is your person, your brain, your personality and your genitals you cam make comparisons. But all of those who want to make comparisons aren't actually in the trade and therefore don't really know squat about what it means to offer your mind and body as a provider.

 

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It is apparent to me that what is being marketed in this industry is not a commodity but an experience. One that is unique in someways due social bias etc. but that aside not so different than a massage a pedicure or any number of personal services. The simple fact that marketing is involved clearly implies that selling and purchasing is the end goal. It has become very apparent that there exists a wide range of choices in terms of how that marketing is done. I would venture to submit that the mere fact that all of us post on this site is a result of us marketing ourselves in someway. I have some hope that if I need some street cred my posts here will give the impression that I am a thoughtful person that has learned to choose my words wisely and well thought out.  I can only believe that providers post in order to create some name recognition and perhaps create some sense of who they are. Otherwise it would be a huge waste of very precious time. One somewhat loquacious and sometimes vociferous contributor has posted over 2350 times since becoming a member, at (just guessing) 5 minutes per post, which may or may not include reading time is nearly 200 hours spent. It seems like some may use their time posting on a forum as a means of marketing and others may take a few minutes here and there to chit chat. Nothing wrong with either strategy in my humble opinion. 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Why don't you just say that to my face or call me out by name? Sorry I hurt your little fee fees. Nothing I post is really about marketing myself. Why do you even care about my personal time and the way I choose to spend it?

You are so off base with my motivations it's not even worth the time to explain it to you. But thanks for being so painfully obvious with who were talking about. You didn't choose your words wisely and calling me out like that was not well thought out.

 

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It is apparent to me that what is being marketed in this industry is not a commodity but an experience. One that is unique in someways due social bias etc. but that aside not so different than a massage a pedicure or any number of personal services. The simple fact that marketing is involved clearly implies that selling and purchasing is the end goal. It has become very apparent that there exists a wide range of choices in terms of how that marketing is done. I would venture to submit that the mere fact that all of us post on this site is a result of us marketing ourselves in someway. I have some hope that if I need some street cred my posts here will give the impression that I am a thoughtful person that has learned to choose my words wisely and well thought out.  I can only believe that providers post in order to create some name recognition and perhaps create some sense of who they are. Otherwise it would be a huge waste of very precious time. One somewhat loquacious and sometimes vociferous contributor has posted over 2350 times since becoming a member, at (just guessing) 5 minutes per post, which may or may not include reading time is nearly 200 hours spent. It seems like some may use their time posting on a forum as a means of marketing and others may take a few minutes here and there to chit chat. Nothing wrong with either strategy in my humble opinion. 

I couldn't have said this any better. Thank you. 

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There aren't really many valid comparisons. There are comparisons that people make to justify their behaviors. I would also appreciate the not putting words in my mouth I never mentioned it was the most dangerous but it is by far the most intimate.

When you job is your person, your brain, your personality and your genitals you cam make comparisons. But all of those who want to make comparisons aren't actually in the trade and therefore don't really know squat about what it means to offer your mind and body as a provider.

 

Lucy,

I piped in the 'dangerous' comment from other threads where you have complained about the dangers you ladies face, highlighting it as one of the unique features of you business.

As for selling myself, I've sold everything but my genitals at one time or another. And there have been some lonely times when I have traded sex, not for hard cash, but for a bit of companionship. 

Comparisons abound because the same principles of marketing apply; the same laws of economics like supply & demand curves apply; the same basics of customer service apply.  Just as widgets differ from buggy whips, your service has its own quirks. But it doesn't take an MBA to recognize that good business practices will effect your bottom line. 

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Lucy,

I piped in the 'dangerous' comment from other threads where you have complained about the dangers you ladies face, highlighting it as one of the unique features of you business.

As for selling myself, I've sold everything but my genitals at one time or another. And there have been some lonely times when I have traded sex, not for hard cash, but for a bit of companionship. 

Comparisons abound because the same principles of marketing apply; the same laws of economics like supply & demand curves apply; the same basics of customer service apply.  Just as widgets differ from buggy whips, your service has its own quirks. But it doesn't take an MBA to recognize that good business practices will effect your bottom line. 

Complaining about the dangers we face? That's hardly complaining, I also never said it was the most dangerous. Your hyperbole to prove a point is silly. And what does what I have to do with what I said about dangers in the biz have to do with this post? Nothing. Sad and very scary that making the dangers we face known is seen as complaining. This thread is about the chit-chat not bringing up everything that Lucy said to remind her that you think she is sooo wrong. You never let me forget that.

Everything but your genitals is exactly the point and why I specifically said that. You don't know unless you have done it. Rules don't really apply in this business. There are guidelines that can't be enforced (no matter how hard you try) so there really is no comparison. You cannot compare products and services to human beings. It's very debasing and you ignore the very intimate nature of the biz. Paying to play is NOT the same as taking money to play to keep the lights on. It does not offer the same experience or revelations.

Selling "sex" is selling intimate luxury. It's not widgets, it's not a customer service job. If you want to compare to other jobs then consider your luxury car dealership or your dr** dealer or a luxury airliner. The same basics don't always apply. This isn't a legal market so constantly trying to compare it to one is useless. Since when did clients get so much say in a luxury item? BMW doesn't care that not everyone can afford their cars, your drug dealer could care less about what you think is customer service. If you don't really need it then you play by the rules of the seller. 

If any one of you guys actually had any idea what it was like to be on this end of things you would have the slightest bit of compassion. But all any of you can do is try and compare it to your experiences rather than really listen.

 

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