When does it become a "last minute cancellation"?

[Bora Bora]

So following a recent thread about cancellation, I think we all agree that there can be unplanned and important reasons on both sides, boys and girls, to make us cancel an scheduled appointment.

Note: I'm not talking here about the weirdos that cancel because they are just that, weirdos. I'm talking about good and serious people that respect other people's time and money.

I'm just wondering when does it become a "last minute cancellation" as to be blacklisted or hated for the time wasting?
 

If you cancel 4 hours before the appointment then I think it is not a "last minute cancellation" but if you cancel 5 minutes before, it definitely is.

So... 15 minutes, 30 minutes, 1 hour? when does it become a "last minute" one?

 

[Mustang87]

I would say once the traveling party has gotten in their car and headed to the appointment.

[Juanmotai]

I would say once the traveling party has gotten in their car and headed to the appointment.

I totally agree here. Once you say you are actually on your way. 

[Guest]

Too many variables for this to have one right answer.

For example:

1. Did someone already book a room, and is it too late to cancel the reservation?

2. Did someone schedule time off their real job to attend a meeting?

3. Did someone buy plane tickets?

4. If this was a multi-hour or overnight appointment, did the escort stop advertising for that day?

Any of these, last minute would be past being able to recover your loss.

[Guest]

A different perspective, perhaps.  As with everything,  circumstances matter.

IMHO:

If you have made your appointment on the same day that the appointment is to be held, any cancellation would be a last minute cancellation. Why? The lady may have turned down business since you called.  Now, unless she can re-fill that time slot, you have taken bread from the mouths of her family.  NEVER EVER CANCEL A SAME DAY APPOINTMENT. Note: sometimes shit happens.  If you are in a wreck, or a family member becomes suddenly ill, or you get abducted and anally-probed by aliens, then yes.   Notify the lady as soon as you possibly can, explain the situation, apologize, AND OFFER TO RESCHEDULE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. 99% of providers will respond favorably to this.  Just make damn sure you make that 2nd appointment, I don't care how many rump-ranging aliens you have to fight through.  Guys, this is not a "law," it's just the polite way to do things.

 

Again, IMHO, If you have made an appointment days or weeks in advance, then it is fair game to cancel the appointment 24 to 48 hours before the scheduled time.  At least the lady has a chance of replacing your revenue with someone else.  Please don't cancel unless you have a reason.  I have been called out of town for emergency business trips.  We all have another life.  When you call, explain the situation, apologize, and OFFER TO RESCHEDULE. 99.9% of providers will respond favorably to this.

Finally, NEVER EVER MAKE AN APPOINTMENT YOU DON'T THINK YOU CAN KEEP!

This is NOT rocket science.  You would give the same consideration to your doctor, dentist, mechanic, or golfing  buddies.

[BadBoy]

I'm with Laplace on this one - any cancellation (from either side) on the date of the appointment is rude and only excusable with a really good reason (such as sudden communicable illness, car wreck, etc.)  If the lady cancels with less notice the gentleman won't likely have time to fill that appointment time with a quality substitute, and if the gentleman cancels, the lady will likely lose revenue.  I have been cancelled on three times, twice for good reason, once for BS.  All three were annoying, but the two for good reason were forgiven by me (actually both ladies offered a significant discount on the next visit, which I though was classy, but which I declined).  I have only cancelled once, and that was because I didn't want to give the young lady the flu,  she appreciated it and I was forgiven.

Does no one know the meaning of the term "appointment" anymore?  Seinfeld had a similar opinion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7uvttu8ct0

[Lucy Kitten]

Too many variables for this to have one right answer.

For example:

1. Did someone already book a room, and is it too late to cancel the reservation?

2. Did someone schedule time off their real job to attend a meeting?

3. Did someone buy plane tickets?

4. If this was a multi-hour or overnight appointment, did the escort stop advertising for that day?

Any of these, last minute would be past being able to recover your loss.

I was thinking that too, it really just depends on the day. If someone books a longer engagement ahead of time they better cancel the day before because I have taken the day off of advertising.

 

 

[Guest]

A different perspective, perhaps.  As with everything,  circumstances matter.

IMHO:

If you have made your appointment on the same day that the appointment is to be held, any cancellation would be a last minute cancellation. Why? The lady may have turned down business since you called.  Now, unless she can re-fill that time slot, you have taken bread from the mouths of her family.  NEVER EVER CANCEL A SAME DAY APPOINTMENT. Note: sometimes shit happens.  If you are in a wreck, or a family member becomes suddenly ill, or you get abducted and anally-probed by aliens, then yes.   Notify the lady as soon as you possibly can, explain the situation, apologize, AND OFFER TO RESCHEDULE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. 99% of providers will respond favorably to this.  Just make damn sure you make that 2nd appointment, I don't care how many rump-ranging aliens you have to fight through.  Guys, this is not a "law," it's just the polite way to do things.

 

Again, IMHO, If you have made an appointment days or weeks in advance, then it is fair game to cancel the appointment 24 to 48 hours before the scheduled time.  At least the lady has a chance of replacing your revenue with someone else.  Please don't cancel unless you have a reason.  I have been called out of town for emergency business trips.  We all have another life.  When you call, explain the situation, apologize, and OFFER TO RESCHEDULE. 99.9% of providers will respond favorably to this.

Finally, NEVER EVER MAKE AN APPOINTMENT YOU DON'T THINK YOU CAN KEEP!

This is NOT rocket science.  You would give the same consideration to your doctor, dentist, mechanic, or golfing  buddies.

Laplace: my abs hurt from laughing so hard!
Google "anal probe aliens" .... 

I have nothing of value to add. I concur with the statement of explaining the situation and making an honest effort to reschedule as soon as possible.

I would advise against sending a photo of a car accident when there is a few feet of snow on the ground and the background of your photo shows a spring day. That's a great way to get yourself blacklisted. 

[Guest]

 NEVER EVER CANCEL A SAME DAY APPOINTMENT

NEVER EVER MAKE AN APPOINTMENT YOU DON'T THINK YOU CAN KEEP!

It gets more difficult to do short notice sessions all the time; particularly first visits. For most ladies, it's a non-starter . If your schedule is as unpredictable as mine and you rarely know you have a free hour until the hour before that, the options are few. Once upon a time there was a lovely lady with a regular incall near the office and the "meet in 30 for 60?" text often worked like a charm. But sadly she moved along. And since I agree with Lap on this one, the inability to plan adequately in advance, keeps me on the sidelines much of the time these days. 

[Bora Bora]

Too many variables for this to have one right answer.

For example:

1. Did someone already book a room, and is it too late to cancel the reservation?

2. Did someone schedule time off their real job to attend a meeting?

3. Did someone buy plane tickets?

4. If this was a multi-hour or overnight appointment, did the escort stop advertising for that day?

Any of these, last minute would be past being able to recover your loss.

You are right I didn't think about these kind of scenarios.

Fortunately I've never had to cancel yet but I'm always worried that something can come up anytime before the scheduled appointment, because my job is crazy, unpredictable an not as simple as a 9 to 5 typical working day

[Gretchen]

There's the short answer and the long answer.

Long answer here. We are in a business chock-full of flakes. Last minute cancelations, no-shows, and lookie-loos are the most common problems the ladies face. I can state this with some authority because I've been listening to my girlfriends complain about them for years, YEARS okay. Each and every working girl hears a different excuse several times a month, and goes on smiling. So whatever excuse you give is not going to be believed. Forgive me for hipping you to this fact. I don't mean to be brutal. Just know what our reality is. Your best bet is to carve out an hour that you can defend from all other demands, set that for your appointment and stick to it. If you get a reputation for canceling you may find it difficult to get appointments in the future with quality ladies. If you must cancel, offer a cancelation fee next time you see the lady. I think a quarter to a third of her usual fee should do it.

Short answer here. Three hours' notice to cancel a one-hour appointment. At least a day's notice to cancel a two-hour appointment.

For appointments longer than two hours, I suggest asking the lady in advance what she would need. It would be better to let her know in advance what your probability of canceling would be, and let her tell you what she needs. LOL she will probably say, Call me when you know what you're doing. I have actually said those exact words over the phone, aren't I mean? But it's better to be real.

[Lucy Kitten]

 

3. Did someone buy plane tickets?

So last summer I had plans to meet one of my "good" friends in another city. Plane tickets were purchased and hotel reservations made. I packed my bag, made the trip and arrived at my destination and got silence. I called and texted and got no answer after waiting for like an hour I finally got a response. "I didn't hear from you today I just assumed you cancelled" Like WTF? It was a busy day we had spoken the day before and I just assumed all was good. We weren't even in the same city, not even the same effing state. If he had thought I was going to blow him off why no follow through? It was his money that would have been wasted. I was livid, I felt stranded and my feelings were super hurt. Thankfully I was a registered guest on the room and he was a quick flight away so he was able to make it in a few hours but that was after I chewed him out via text. I had dinner alone and got really drunk that night., there is a great distillery/restaurant in the Basque district in Boise if anyone is interested. We ended up having a great weekend and who knew that hot client make-up sex was a thing?

[Guest]

I totally agree here. Once you say you are actually on your way. 

Jinxed myself last week as I was driving to an appointment. I was thinking how professional this provider has always been for me, even though her behavior had become kinda strange the last couple times. Then got a text that she had to cancel 30 minutes prior. No explanation, but an apology was offered. 

[pfunk]

I agree more with Laplace than anyone else, so far. I also REALLY get tired of hearing "things happen!" 

If you had a doctors appointment you wouldn't cancel without a REALLY good reason. In my opinion, this should be treated that way.

 

[2Big]

John has to "cancel at the last minute":

Translation:

1. Funds no longer available.

2. Funds sequestered by wife.

3. No longer interested, busted nut to online porn.

4. Found morals.

Hooker has to "cancel at the last minute":

1. Found better client.

2. Found morals.

3. Boyfriend/pimp doesn't want her whoring anymore.

4. Vehicle repoed.

5. In jail.

 

[Erin_CO]

Also, there is a big difference if a "regular" calls to cancel 3 minutes before the appointmen than if it's a new guy.

Once you know a person you can easily understand a last minute cancellation and just reschedule for another time. Regulars will usually add something extra on the next donation for the last minute cancel

 

[mrvegas63]

Did not read full thread, so, sorry if someone already provided same answer as I am about to.

For the most part, for me, takes about 40-60 min to get to an incall apointment from my neck of the woods to the common Denver locales. So, if a provider calls me and tries to push back the appointment 15 minutes before scheduled start (happened a couple of weeks ago with an advertiser on this board), not cool. At that point, I'm in the area and looking for parking and or to make the second call of the two call system. In this case, the providers wanting to get a few extra $$ from client before me made her lose my money, so at her usual rates, she lost money on the deal.

Of late, I only try to make appointments on days I am free, so, no excuse to cancel: I book, I'm showing up. Lest above.

Edited October 12, 2015 by mrvegas63

[Lucy Kitten]

Did not read full thread, so, sorry if someone already provided same answer as I am about to.

For the most part, for me, takes about 40-60 min to get to an incall apointment from my neck of the woods to the common Denver locales. So, if a provider calls me and tries to push back the appointment 15 minutes before scheduled start (happened a couple of weeks ago with an advertiser on this board), not cool. At that point, I'm in the area and looking for parking and or to make the second call of the two call system. In this case, the providers wanting to get a few extra $$ from client before me made her lose my money, so at her usual rates, she lost money on the deal.

Of late, I only try to make appointments on days I am free, so, no excuse to cancel: I book, I'm showing up. Lest above.

15 minutes late doesn't sound like the end of the world. How do you know why she was running late? Did she tell you or did you just assume?

[gr8owl]

Did not read full thread, so, sorry if someone already provided same answer as I am about to.

For the most part, for me, takes about 40-60 min to get to an incall apointment from my neck of the woods to the common Denver locales. So, if a provider calls me and tries to push back the appointment 15 minutes before scheduled start (happened a couple of weeks ago with an advertiser on this board), not cool. At that point, I'm in the area and looking for parking and or to make the second call of the two call system. In this case, the providers wanting to get a few extra $$ from client before me made her lose my money, so at her usual rates, she lost money on the deal.

Of late, I only try to make appointments on days I am free, so, no excuse to cancel: I book, I'm showing up. Lest above.

If it was it was "give me fifteen minutes" cause the guy an hour or two earlier overstayed his welcome no big deal by all means take your (her) time to get ready. If it is "give me fifteen minutes" should have other guy out the door in ten ....... um, no. Not now or ever again.

[CharlotteBreeze]

I'm pretty conservative, so if I was a guy, I would tend to think of anything within 24 hours as "last minute". Sure, one minute before is really the last minute, but I'm not trying to get technical, lol. That's  just when the majority of ladies who have cancelation policies will start asking you for a fee, and that's when it starts to get pretty difficult (for her) to book anything in your place. You basically put her in the position of hoping that someone on P411 contacts her needing something today, so she doesn't have to go back and forth over references, or that a regular comes along. Most people don't suddenly have several hours free to spend communicating, driving, meeting, etc, so booking something to replace the time that you had requested if you've canceled within 24 hours ranges from "not likely" to "not happening, ever". In my experience, there are only a few cities where you can count on getting enough same day requests to make up for same day cancelations, and even then, you're asking her to hope for an awful lot of stars to align.

I would say that you'd only get blacklisted or "hated" by your favorite provider if it becomes a situation where she expects you not to come over, and not to give a whit about it. The guy who cancels constantly, but sends a hundred bucks to make up for it is far less frustrating than the guy who is always coming up with "fantasy bookings" that never materialize, or books a long appointment and balks at covering the $250-400 room the lady booked for him when he cancels, or makes her spend longer texting back and forth with him to set something than any amount of time he's ever booked.

I guess from what I've seen, guys and girls are both pretty happy if you actually make it up to them and it can be seen that you have good intentions. When you start blowing people off and they feel disrespected is when the problems start.

[Guest]

I only tell this again as context for my question: I once had to cancel several hours before an appointment. As soon as I could, I made arrangements to meet the woman I canceled on to make a partial payment, even though she said we were fine and didn't request anything. Point being, I have my own cancellation policy. I did, ultimately, reschedule with that provider, we had a blast, I gave her a tip, and a good review. I will almost certainly see her again. Having said that...

Is it really wise for providers to have a cancellation policy? If someone needs to cancel for a legit reason, and you're cool about it, they're likely to reschedule. If you tell them they'll have to pay a cancellation fee, won't most guys just move on to someone else? I just can't see a lot of those fees being collected. And potentially, you're pushing away someone who was interested in seeing you. You could be losing a new regular client. I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong, just asking. 

Edited October 13, 2015 by easyfriend33

[Lucy Kitten]

I only tell this again as context for my question: I once had to cancel several hours before an appointment. As soon as I could, I made arrangements to meet the woman I canceled on to make a partial payment, even though she said we were fine and didn't request anything. Point being, I have my own cancellation policy. I did, ultimately, reschedule with that provider, we had a blast, I gave her a tip, and a good review. I will almost certainly see her again. Having said that...

Is it really wise for providers to have a cancellation policy? If someone needs to cancel for a legit reason, and you're cool about it, they're likely to reschedule. If you tell them they'll have to pay a cancellation fee, won't most guys just move on to someone else? I just can't see a lot of those fees being collected. And potentially, you're pushing away someone who was interested in seeing you. You could be losing a new regular client. I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong, just asking. 

You can't collect a cancellation fee, it's next to impossible. What ladies can do, which is very wise is collect a deposit. Guys who are turned off by that kind of thing, to me, don't really take what we do seriously. Time is money for us and taking a deposit or having a cancellation fee is a good idea and not unusual for professionals whose time is also money.

[Guest]

I hear what you're saying Lucy, and again, that's why I shared my story. I, personally, have no problem with paying a cancellation fee. However, what you and I are talking about is how things SHOULD be. What I'm asking about is how things really ARE. As you say, you can't really collect the fee anyway. That being the case, my question is, don't you risk turning away potential long term customers if you have a cancellation policy? I'm not asking if you SHOULD get that money, or if it's the right thing to do. I'm asking, in the real word, with the reality of laws governing this profession, and the seemingly endless number of new providers introducing themselves here almost daily, is it poor practice to have a cancellation policy?

I do thank you for your reply. Yours being the only one pretty much answers the question. A lot of guys who do this are ass holes, and they'll stand you up without thinking twice. It shouldn't be that way. But it is. If I were on your side of this and someone stood me up or canceled last minute, I'd be angry and want to have some recourse. I just don't think, in reality, there is any. You even agreed with that. And if that's the case, I'm just pointing out, the policy itself may be bad for business. Again, I'm not saying that's how it should be. But I suspect that's how it is. 

[Milos Vesely]

John has to "cancel at the last minute":

Translation:

1. Funds no longer available.

2. Funds sequestered by wife.

3. No longer interested, busted nut to online porn.

4. Found morals.

 

 

5. Too hungover.      In my case.

[Lucy Kitten]

That's the difference between collecting a deposit versus a cancellation fee. If we collect a deposit up front it eliminates the frustration of being cancelled on. If collecting a deposit turns clients away so be it. Since there isn't any enforcement ladies and gents tend to be a little lax when it comes to business standards and we really shouldn't be. Once a large enough group or the "right" ladies start asking for deposits the rest will follow suit. Since there is no enforcement we providers can lead by example. 

How it is today will not be how it is tomorrow. How we do business is constantly evolving. I am not saying that it's something everyone needs to adhere to but providers should be able to collect deposits or cancellation fees without a struggle. Making your customer stick to a commitment and an expensive one at that makes good business sense. If you value your product and your time and you might make less from the potential clients who don't understand why it's important. But I don't consider that a loss, I would rather lose the income. The policy isn't bad for business, it's great for business. The problem are the clients who just don't get it.

It doesn't have to just be the way it is. It's just an idea that needs a huge shove.

[Juanmotai]

That's the difference between collecting a deposit versus a cancellation fee. If we collect a deposit up front it eliminates the frustration of being cancelled on. If collecting a deposit turns clients away so be it. Since there isn't any enforcement ladies and gents tend to be a little lax when it comes to business standards and we really shouldn't be. Once a large enough group or the "right" ladies start asking for deposits the rest will follow suit. Since there is no enforcement we providers can lead by example. 

How it is today will not be how it is tomorrow. How we do business is constantly evolving. I am not saying that it's something everyone needs to adhere to but providers should be able to collect deposits or cancellation fees without a struggle. Making your customer stick to a commitment and an expensive one at that makes good business sense. If you value your product and your time and you might make less from the potential clients who don't understand why it's important. But I don't consider that a loss, I would rather lose the income. The policy isn't bad for business, it's great for business. The problem are the clients who just don't get it.

It doesn't have to just be the way it is. It's just an idea that needs a huge shove.

in theory what you are saying is a great idea but in real life it's an absolutly horrendous idea. Leaving a deposit would mean having to use a credit, or debit, card, or something similar. In a legitimate business that isn't illegal this works fine, but leaving such a paper trail for an illegal business transaction is a horrible idea. No matter what kind of business name you run the transaction under, it can still be tracked by anyone who has the knowledge to track it.. like law enforcement for example. 

[Guest]

So following a recent thread about cancellation, I think we all agree that there can be unplanned and important reasons on both sides, boys and girls, to make us cancel an scheduled appointment.

Note: I'm not talking here about the weirdos that cancel because they are just that, weirdos. I'm talking about good and serious people that respect other people's time and money.

I'm just wondering when does it become a "last minute cancellation" as to be blacklisted or hated for the time wasting?
 

If you cancel 4 hours before the appointment then I think it is not a "last minute cancellation" but if you cancel 5 minutes before, it definitely is.

So... 15 minutes, 30 minutes, 1 hour? when does it become a "last minute" one?

 

 I think anything less than 30 minutes constitutes as a late and last minute cancellation. I've even have guys who have had the nerve to call/ text 15 minutes after they were supposed to be here, cancel! 

Did not read full thread, so, sorry if someone already provided same answer as I am about to.

For the most part, for me, takes about 40-60 min to get to an incall apointment from my neck of the woods to the common Denver locales. So, if a provider calls me and tries to push back the appointment 15 minutes before scheduled start (happened a couple of weeks ago with an advertiser on this board), not cool. At that point, I'm in the area and looking for parking and or to make the second call of the two call system. In this case, the providers wanting to get a few extra $$ from client before me made her lose my money, so at her usual rates, she lost money on the deal.

Of late, I only try to make appointments on days I am free, so, no excuse to cancel: I book, I'm showing up. Lest above.

Hmmmm, this. I don't think it seems very logical to drive so far and not be able to wait an extra 15 minutes. 

I schedule people to come over accordingly, but sometimes I do need an extra five or 10 minutes and it's not because I don't plan well. Sometimes it takes a little extra time to freshen up, vacuum, change pillowcases, etc... Here is where I may lose you. It also takes time to clean the air with some freshly dried sage, meditate momentarily, and manifest a positive experience for the next visit. I do this 99% of the time and it makes a huge difference. The 1% that I haven't, I've been able to tell the difference.

 Maybe that 15 minutes was needed to make your experience the best one possible.

[Guest]

15 minutes sounds reasonable. But having recently had to make that wait, let me tell you, it's a very long time to sit in your car, wondering about the weird guy on the corner in the windowless van, and watching two police cars go by. To put it mildly, I wasn't "meditating". And I got a new understanding of why some guys just leave. I, of course, did not, and ended up having a fantastic session. 

But yeah. When you are out for your lunch hour, 15 minutes is a pretty big deal, and not something that sets the stage for an experience that is "the best one possible". Just offering feedback since it came up.

Edited October 15, 2015 by easyfriend33

[Lucy Kitten]

in theory what you are saying is a great idea but in real life it's an absolutly horrendous idea. Leaving a deposit would mean having to use a credit, or debit, card, or something similar. In a legitimate business that isn't illegal this works fine, but leaving such a paper trail for an illegal business transaction is a horrible idea. No matter what kind of business name you run the transaction under, it can still be tracked by anyone who has the knowledge to track it.. like law enforcement for example. 

There are literally like a hundred ways to collect a deposit and not leave a huge paper trail. I have seen some ladies collect a deposit via bitcoin to have it returned once the appointment was over, which is generally how deposits work. I know plenty of ladies who use prepaid debit cards for all the questionable online purchases. Where there is a will there is a way, my point and you just kind of proved it is that we only treat this legitimately when it serves our purpose.

It's horrendous to you because you wont consider it, it's not horrendous to the provider who gets stood up and has no recourse. It inconveniences you but that doesn't make it horrible.

 

[Lucy Kitten]

15 minutes sounds reasonable. But having recently had to make that wait, let me tell you, it's a very long time to sit in your car, wondering about the weird guy on the corner in the windowless van, and watching two police cars go by. To put it mildly, I wasn't "meditating". And I got a new understanding of why some guys just leave. I, of course, did not, and ended up having a fantastic session. 

But yeah. When you are out for your lunch hour, 15 minutes is a pretty big deal, and not something that sets the stage for an experience that is "the best one possible". Just offering feedback since it came up.

Whoever started that assumed that he was made to wait because she was scheduling too close together.  15 minutes is a long time to wait but his response seemed harsh. It does suck when a lady makes you wait but all that paranoia is on you.