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Is P411 or any verification service worth it these days?

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Hands down P411 has been the safest and most quality filled site I have ever had the privilege of becoming a member.

Gina, Lori, Cathy and the whole gang have always been super helpful, fair and considerate of all sides of the hobby world.

I always feel I am well taken care of.

When I receive an appointment request from a gentleman I am already at a great comfort level because I can see how many Okays have been received from other reputable escorts he has successfully seen before.

I know men don't want to spend the extra money to join P411, but in the end you are not going to miss any of those fees after you see how wonderful the ladies are that become available to you.

In my opinion... P411 is well worth your time, money and effort.

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I just got approved for P411 (within the last 2 weeks) and I can't believe I waited this long to join.  It is the BEST!

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Not to be the guy in the room with the tinfoil hat but...

Considering that ashley madison was hacked and all of that personal info leaked I'd be wary of giving my real name and credit card info to any company that I wasn't okay with the whole world knowing about. I suspect that's the world we'll be living in from now on.

That said I may have once belonged to P411. It helped me get my foot in the door. But these days I don't find that I need it any longer.

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That said I may have once belonged to P411. It helped me get my foot in the door. But these days I don't find that I need it any longer.

Exactly. Not seeing anybody new and not travelling. But I'm betting the new administration in Canada will be good news for Gina and her enterprise from a legal standpoint. Of course, in cyberworld, Western governments are secondary players and there are no laws. And I like my tinfoil hat just fine, thank you.

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Considering that ashley madison was hacked and all of that personal info leaked I'd be wary of giving my real name and credit card info to any company that I wasn't okay with the whole world knowing about. I suspect that's the world we'll be living in from now on.

P411 doesn't require your full name or credit card info. If you would like a membership, but don't like having that information floating around out there, rustle up two solid provider references, take us up on our free 6 month trial offer, and then pay with a money order (or bitcoin, for those in the tinfoil hats) if you wish to continue.

Easy peasy!

Always,

Gina

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Not to be the guy in the room with the tinfoil hat but...

Considering that ashley madison was hacked and all of that personal info leaked I'd be wary of giving my real name and credit card info to any company that I wasn't okay with the whole world knowing about. I suspect that's the world we'll be living in from now on.

That said I may have once belonged to P411. It helped me get my foot in the door. But these days I don't find that I need it any longer.

I used the 6 month free program. P411 has the same amount of my personal information as you do. I do commend your desire to keep your personal information private. too many guys are lax with their info. most wouldn't walk up to a stranger on the street and give them a copy of their drivers license but they will send a copy to a stranger on the phone or through email. often nothing will come of it but the one time something does the price might be very high.

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Of the verification services, P411 is my favorite.

Some guys did get irked when the Canadian laws forced a change to the site but it's still an extremely useful site and great way of getting appointments setup almost anywhere you are.

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True and agreed. It was a big change for us providers as well. However Gina and Lori are ingenious. They find ways to get around those laws legally so we can still have some idea of menu items, services offered, etc. They always have the wheels turning for new innovative ways to keep their site great :-)

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Convert here. It's the only way to fly. You can sign up without giving personal info (2 references approach), and you can pay by money order.

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I'm hoping to get signed up there soon myself! especially after seeing you ladies and gents rave about it!

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I've been a member of p411 for multiple years now. It's been a godsend for me on providing references and being able to see a reliable provider. I've only had one instance where a p411 provider questioned my references, okays, etc. She was so paranoid that she demanded my place of work and phone #. Being late @ night, and letting the little head think for me, I gave that info. However, she was the exception to the rule, and she is no longer in the hobby. Overall, I'd say p411 has made it infinitely easier to participate in this hobby.

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P411 is the way to go. Finally tried the free 6 month thing this summer and I'm hooked for as long as I do this! Dealing with refs, then maybe traveling or moving is such a headache. P411 is completely worth it.

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I'm definitely a fan of P411....joined just shy of a year ago, and it's just made the whole process go far easier and with much less hassle.

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On 9/21/2015, 4:02:05, TheWhisperer said:

P411 is highly regarded and respected. It is a trustworthy site.

Hmm I call bullshit 

http://www.fbi.gov/denver/press-releases/2013/federal-and-local-law-enforcement-crack-down-on-prostitution-and-human-trafficking-in-colorado

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Https://www.maggiemcneill.WordPress.com/2014/01/28/something-in-the-milk/

Think it's overrated by a bunch of men who choose to think with their "little" brains and providers who are to naive and gullible to see the obvious...no thanks. 

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3 hours ago, Bigbubba43 said:

I notice that the author of this report is Deborah Sherman, well known to the denizens of TOB. 

No site is perfect, even Gina will tell you that, but P411 is probably (imho) more secure with broader coverage than most similar sites. 

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4 hours ago, Bigbubba43 said:

Hmm I call bullshit 

http://www.fbi.gov/denver/press-releases/2013/federal-and-local-law-enforcement-crack-down-on-prostitution-and-human-trafficking-in-colorado

Https://www.maggiemcneill.WordPress.com/2014/01/28/something-in-the-milk/

Think it's overrated by a bunch of men who choose to think with their "little" brains and providers who are to naive and gullible to see the obvious...no thanks. 

^^^ Says the guy with 4 posts. We all know how valuable our (and your) opinions are...exactly what we paid for them.  :D

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41 minutes ago, pfunk said:

^^^ Says the guy with 4 posts. We all know how valuable our (and your) opinions are...exactly what we paid for them.  :D

My number of posts seems irrelevant considering the info I shared came straight off the FBI website     a simple google search "p411 busts" provides  further interesting data if the FBI website isn't convincing enough. But hey to each his own . :)  

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10 minutes ago, Bigbubba43 said:

My number of posts seems irrelevant considering the info I shared came straight off the FBI website     a simple google search "p411 busts" provides  further interesting data if the FBI website isn't convincing enough. But hey to each his own . :)  

You are sharing old  information (2013) that the community is fully aware of, and do know that I posted about the situation the moment I became aware of it, which was prior to it hitting the media. So this makes you appear to be a troll, just trying to still up a little drama.

Unfortunately,  a few P411 accounts have been compromised and used to cause problems for providers in the past, and will probably be used in the future as well. The good news is that there has never been an incident where a P411 account was used to cause any sort of legal problem for a client. Not once, not anywhere, never in the 10+ years of operation. The bad news is that providers have been targeted each of the 8-9 times it's happened.

Of course, if you aren't comfortable with being a member of P411 for any reason at all, that's perfectly fine. You, alone, are responsible for taking care of yourself, and there are no guarantees to be had when dabbling in this hobby.

P411 is here to help you mitigate your risks, and we do the very best we can to keep the members of our community safe from all types of harm. That doesn't mean we're perfect though, and it's important that everyone realize that P411 is not the end all and be all of verification.

P411 is only intended to be used as one tool in the verification process. Please do as much additional screening and research as you feel is necessary, to keep yourself safe.

Always,

Gina

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On 11/6/2015, 2:08:29, amcbl1 said:

I've been a member of p411 for multiple years now. It's been a godsend for me on providing references and being able to see a reliable provider. I've only had one instance where a p411 provider questioned my references, okays, etc. She was so paranoid that she demanded my place of work and phone #. Being late @ night, and letting the little head think for me, I gave that info. However, she was the exception to the rule, and she is no longer in the hobby. Overall, I'd say p411 has made it infinitely easier to participate in this hobby.

Interesting, I had the opposite experience.  I signed up for the 6 month trial and every time I used  it the providers wound up contacting my okays for references anyway.  Which I don't have a problem with per se, but then it seems like I'm not getting anything worth paying for.

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3 hours ago, acip said:

 

Interesting, I had the opposite experience.  I signed up for the 6 month trial and every time I used  it the providers wound up contacting my okays for references anyway.  Which I don't have a problem with per se, but then it seems like I'm not getting anything worth paying for.

I think what you received was not having to keep track of names, phone# or web sites to give as references.  It is all there in a little package for them.  

What is cost now,  $129?  If you see 6 different ladies listed on p411 a year, that is $20 per meeting.   At one time, a number of ladies offered $20 off for a guy being on p411.  

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3 hours ago, acip said:

 

Interesting, I had the opposite experience.  I signed up for the 6 month trial and every time I used  it the providers wound up contacting my okays for references anyway.  Which I don't have a problem with per se, but then it seems like I'm not getting anything worth paying for.

And that is bad because ...?

Gals like to check references beyond a mere OK.  Some try to get a hint at your tastes; some have special concerns regarding clients. An OK says that you are legitimate, just as the presence of reviews does for a YL. But it does not give the content of a review, hence the conversation with previous providers. 

Your advantage? You don't have to come up with a list of ASPs you've seen. It's right there with your P411 profile. 

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Never meant to imply it was a bad thing, more just that it doesn't save anyone any time (imo) if that's the case.  I can name anyone I'd want to use as a reference in a second and get their website in another few from a google search.  If anything it took me longer to get my p411 id since I never remembered it so I had to log in to copy and paste it every time.  

I don't think one method is any better than the other, they're basically the same.  Which makes the free one the pretty obvious tie breaker.  Just one opinion.

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On 11/22/2015 8:33:47, acip said:

Never meant to imply it was a bad thing, more just that it doesn't save anyone any time (imo) if that's the case.  I can name anyone I'd want to use as a reference in a second and get their website in another few from a google search.  If anything it took me longer to get my p411 id since I never remembered it so I had to log in to copy and paste it every time.  

I don't think one method is any better than the other, they're basically the same.  Which makes the free one the pretty obvious tie breaker.  Just one opinion.

Aloha and Happy Thanksgiving from Tampa Bay, FL

I have a question directly directed at you(acip) please. 

Please clarify, from reading the above, you are not sending an appointment request or PM via P411 for an appointment?  Rather, from how I'm reading the above, you are providing your P411 ID via other means? Where these Providers P411 member's? 

I'll wait for your reply before elaborating further

 

Thank you for your time

Aloha

Heidi the Housewife

the Maui Muse

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On 11/22/2015, 6:33:47, acip said:

Never meant to imply it was a bad thing, more just that it doesn't save anyone any time (imo) if that's the case.  I can name anyone I'd want to use as a reference in a second and get their website in another few from a google search.  If anything it took me longer to get my p411 id since I never remembered it so I had to log in to copy and paste it every time.  

I don't think one method is any better than the other, they're basically the same.  Which makes the free one the pretty obvious tie breaker.  Just one opinion.

:eek:  Which SOUNDS like you were grossly misusing the system and one of the basic rules, which is only divulging your id via appointment request through the system - no cut and paste required!  That being the case, no wonder ladies were skeptical.

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On 11/22/2015, 8:05:11, Bit Banger said:

I notice that the author of this report is Deborah Sherman, well known to the denizens of TOB. 

No site is perfect, even Gina will tell you that, but P411 is probably (imho) more secure with broader coverage than most similar sites. 

And Maggie McNeil is a very well known and respected activist. A source is a source. Reputable, respected and safe is up for debate and the answer will vary based on who you ask.

I think that if you're paying for "safety" and references it should be damn near perfect. I would also say that TER is probably more reliable and widely used.

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On 11/22/2015, 1:16:26, acip said:

 

Interesting, I had the opposite experience.  I signed up for the 6 month trial and every time I used  it the providers wound up contacting my okays for references anyway.  Which I don't have a problem with per se, but then it seems like I'm not getting anything worth paying for.

Ladies should be asking for more info. There is so much information that is useful beyond just a general thumbs up and thumbs down. Does a guy have ED issues, like certain things, is a nervous/intense/aggressive/shy type? The attitude on what should be done with OKs changes from time to time. In the early days of my membership it was frowned upon to do extra screening. It was supposed to have all the info you needed and it did but that is not the case any more. It was compromised and then it was encouraged that ladies do screen beyond the OK. Asking for more information beyond the generic OK can save both parties from a session that may not go well.

Ladies are usually more than happy to give away references for free. It kinda makes me cringe that guys pay for that. At this point P411 doesn't seem to be screening any of the guys themselves, no name no real info needed just $129 and a couple of provider references. So that means providers are left to fill in the gaps but not get paid for the work put into references.

If someone wants to pay for it I wouldn't argue, verification sites have their place but I would suggest that everyone has a process that can be used outside of those sites. Not everyone uses the same thing but it's super easy to give a name for a reference and almost as easy to check it.

 

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51 minutes ago, Lucy Kitten said:

... I would also say that TER is probably more reliable and widely used.

You are correct: TER is probably more widely used.

But as a client, TER's practice of "paying" for reviews (with increased access) causes them to be suspect. Having several TER reviews, for me, indicates that a provider is probably legitimate, but provides little information regarding her services (I am not a subscriber. I have heard too many horror stories of false reviews causing providers problems.)

i agree, we (both clients & providers) should be seeking more information than a thumb's up or down. 

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On 11/24/2015, 7:54:25, gr8owl said:

:eek:  Which SOUNDS like you were grossly misusing the system and one of the basic rules, which is only divulging your id via appointment request through the system - no cut and paste required!  That being the case, no wonder ladies were skeptical.

I know it's hard to believe but there are providers stupid enough to give OK's to clients they have never seen and clients who give there P411 ID outside the P411 system. if P411 has any flaws it would be these. for those intelligent enough to actually read and follow the rules the system works very well.

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10 hours ago, Heidi the Housewife aka The Maui Muse said:

Please clarify, from reading the above, you are not sending an appointment request or PM via P411 for an appointment?  Rather, from how I'm reading the above, you are providing your P411 ID via other means? Where these Providers P411 member's?

I did both, sometimes if I was already emailing her about something else I would continue that method of conversation, but I also used the p411 system.  I would also send the them a pm on p411 saying yes this is me who emailed you.  Yes they were all p411 members.

 

7 hours ago, Lucy Kitten said:

Ladies should be asking for more info. There is so much information that is useful beyond just a general thumbs up and thumbs down. Does a guy have ED issues, like certain things, is a nervous/intense/aggressive/shy type? The attitude on what should be done with OKs changes from time to time. In the early days of my membership it was frowned upon to do extra screening. It was supposed to have all the info you needed and it did but that is not the case any more. It was compromised and then it was encouraged that ladies do screen beyond the OK. Asking for more information beyond the generic OK can save both parties from a session that may not go well.

Ladies are usually more than happy to give away references for free. It kinda makes me cringe that guys pay for that. At this point P411 doesn't seem to be screening any of the guys themselves, no name no real info needed just $129 and a couple of provider references. So that means providers are left to fill in the gaps but not get paid for the work put into references.

If someone wants to pay for it I wouldn't argue, verification sites have their place but I would suggest that everyone has a process that can be used outside of those sites. Not everyone uses the same thing but it's super easy to give a name for a reference and almost as easy to check it.

 

Exactly.  I don't think they were doubting me specifically, I think they were just among the group that always want more info.  Which I don't have a problem with, but it means that p411 frequently isn't saving my references any time, it isn't saving the person I want to meet any time, and it isn't saving me any time.  If someone thinks it does save them enough time to be worth the fee, by all means they should continue to use it.

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9 hours ago, Lucy Kitten said:

 It was compromised and then it was encouraged that ladies do screen beyond the OK.

Iinteresting you bring that up! Why not also mention that you were one of the providers that facilitated that compromised account in Denver in 2013, that resulted in the FBI causing a great deal of damage in the community?

I think you owe some people an apology (namely the providers you helped get busted) before you go slinging mud around and pontificating like you are also a reliable source of anything.

While I always thought that you were just used as a pawn, I now wonder exactly what you are up to.

Oh and btw, we always encouraged providers to do as much additional screening as they felt was necessary to keep themselves safe. I can find you posts from 10 years ago where I say that, over and over again.

Aways,

Gina

 

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