Something that needs to be made very clear....

[Guest]

This is a PSA for guys who dont shoot straight with us.   After having my address collected 3 TIMES in 24 hrs, including my actual apartment number, only to be stood up, this apparently needs to be clarified. Men who collect our address by calling us and saying that they are here to get our apartment number are considered a threat.  My being very angry and offended by it is not uncalled for and I will not be at all nice about it if someone does this. The fact that it is happening by way of being called and being told that you are physically here is outright trickery and it doesn't matter if you want to come back later or if you are all of a sudden lost or if you just got a case of nerves and had a panic attack, it is not okay under any circumstances to gain our personal info by lying to us and wasting our time. It is not funny, it is creepy and grounds for immediate blacklisting. So if you think that you might not be able to go throug with it,  that you need to figure it out before you steal our addresses. And to those who have done that lately... I want to thank you for deceiving me, f****** with my time and my livelihood and making me feel unsafe in my own home. Anybody who does this s*** is a loser. This has been a public service announcement.

[snowmanmc-7389]

Sorry to hear about this.  

 

Just to try to help, maybe instruct them where to park so they can be seen from inside.

[Guest]

I appreciate it, and i can't do that without them pretty much being be to see me...and it doesn't change that that hour is taken away from me when they get shady anyway. The real solution Is for people to just not be Going out of their way to be someone who is causing problems for everyone around them.  Its not that hard to just not be a troll from hell nor is it that hard to just not be a stalker weirdo. All you got to do is...do nothing. It's plenty of work to trick me but apparently I'm worth the time they are spending to make sure I lose my mind this weekend, and make sure that I am nervous about every sound around my place.  I don't want to have to feel unsafe at home because I know for a fact that there are a number of people who know way more about me than I know about them. That part is hard for me to get past... although I'm sure as hell It could easily be the same person as well, despite my screening not indicating so. I had better not learn that it's one person,  because that one person will have a bitch with a  huge bitchfit aimed at them squarely, I ain't kidding.

Edited September 19, 2015 by B_randy
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[pfunk]

I appreciate it, and i can't do that without them pretty much being be to see me...and it doesn't change that that hour is taken away from me when they get shady anyway. The real solution Is for people to just not be Going out of their way to be someone who is causing problems for everyone around them.  Its not that hard to just not be a troll from hell nor is it that hard to just not be a stalker weirdo. All you got to do is...do nothing. It's plenty of work to trick me but apparently I'm worth the time they are spending to make sure I lose my mind this weekend, and make sure that I am nervous about every sound around my place.  I don't want to have to feel unsafe at home because I know for a fact that there are a number of people who know way more about me than I know about them. That part is hard for me to get past... although I'm sure as hell It could easily be the same person as well, despite my screening not indicating so. I had better not learn that it's one person,  because that one person will have a bitch with a  huge bitchfit aimed at them squarely, I ain't kidding.

Just a suggestion, as I know it's disturbing to have no shows, and people getting your location without actually being there.

You may want to avoid posting about it on here. I think it encourages those fools, who think it's funny to aggravate others, and posting may do the opposite of what you want.

I'm sorry to hear about this. 

 

 

[Guest]

...posting may do the opposite of what you want.

This/\

And maybe look to do outcalls for a little while until things feel more back to normal. Still, what a clusterfuck you girls job must seem like sometimes 

[AkilahRose]

Sorry to hear about this.  

 

Just to try to help, maybe instruct them where to park so they can be seen from inside.

I do this at my house in AZ… but I also have cameras all over my house so I can see and tell them where to park! Or you can always go outside and meet them instead of giving the apt num  Ive done that before I got cameras

[Lucy Kitten]

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And maybe look to do outcalls for a little while until things feel more back to normal. Still, what a clusterfuck you girls job must seem like sometimes 

I for one (maybe not so surprisingly) appreciate it. It is a rant but this is something that is totally unnerving and can really leave you rattled. Being stood up is one thing but being stood up after you have disclosed a location is actually pretty scary. Actually it's really fucking terrifying, you're waiting, you know how long it takes for someone to get to your front door and nothing. You call the person and usually don't get an answer and you wait for someone to crash through your door. It's a few moment of terror before serious anger sets in. Someone is fucking with you in a serious way and you are totally helpless.

We don't have many provider only places to hang out anymore and this is something that everyone should hear. It's one of the reasons screening is so important, and by screening I mean actually collecting some useful information. A name of some sort, a handle on any board a phone number you can actually call back.

[frankenthaler91]

 

I think the camera idea is a good idea if you are concerned that someone would see you peaking out a window to check them out.  

 

As I posted in this thread,  it could just be people pulling your chain.

 

Edited September 20, 2015 by frankenthaler91

[Guest]

Just a suggestion, as I know it's disturbing to have no shows, and people getting your location without actually being there.

You may want to avoid posting about it on here. I think it encourages those fools, who think it's funny to aggravate others, and posting may do the opposite of what you want.

I'm sorry to hear about this. 

 

 

you do have a point,  but if I posted about every time this happened, I'd be seen as someone who gets off on conflict and only focuses on when I've been wronged, which is not me at all.

I definitely don't care for being the one who never has anything but ongoing conflicts and turmoil with anyone who doesn't cater to her...but today was one of those days where I rolled one, reflected on things,  and contemplated getting a job. A JOB. you know people are gettimg outta control when I am a sex kitten, thinking about getting out of this just so I didn't have to hear another person admonish me for the "drama" I'm making about some thing that they did just because they wanted to avail themselves of a blonde OR a brunette depending on how saucy theyre feeling when they are done trying to convince someone at the karaoke bar that they are the inventor of toaster strudel in hopes of her going home with him.  She obviously wasn't having it cause shes smarter than the average bear (aka a shallow ice queen ).

 Having struck out with someone who has had 12 Jager bombs cant be too flattering  a leaves him feeling a bit entitled    to negotiate with me by asking my rate (and also make it a certainty that not one word of my actual basic information was read by him. I mean, who reads? Bitches just yap too much) and we don't mind answering the same basic questions on our time even when we update it twice in the provider ads. Still, maybe me or the  other chick he's determined to bag will understand that he "doesn't pay for this, ever" so he keeps us interested by saying he's coming until one of us breaks down,and  says "okay here's my most titillating set of boudoir shots and of course you can sleep here. I can also take 40 % less since your wife got pregnant and you deserve  a better looking lay than that fat ball and chain.  That is so my problem, and 6 months is too long to wait for that garbage, you poor baby.  Let me just make your dreams come true  and be sure to remember that I don't require prophylactics because you're married and couldn't possibly be riding dirty " since the preceding outcome is a figment of the imagination in all instances,  we all know what does not happen here. ""But eventually , he'll either decide we are crazy to try to scam people with our actual service and give up chasing his fountain of deserved ass.  The end result is that the guy has gotten both our addresses but decided that he'll stick with  the one who let him slide by $10.00 then next decides my unit # is for his exclusive knowledge and he will 'be in touch, just gotta deal with this sudden emergency babe." 

I am truly astounded that he was put off by "my attitude and lack of understanding" and thought he was "forced to back off" because "I am only doing this for the $." Yeah,cause I'm such a nutter that I'd consider his accidental misfortune with anything but a smile and a cookie to be  a huge mistake. 

 

I do not care if my presence on a board compels him or them to just do it to me more. I don't report on this topic for anything that the ladies shouldn't be aware of, and people with no class aren't going to be discouraged by my lack of a post, just as they arent concerned with anything that they're dping that makes themma.loser?I'm not really the type to keep my concerns to myself because he might be bothered by it, because the problem is not that I'm here or that I'm bringing something to the attention of others here that night...the problem lies squarely in the corner that Is tricking a lady out of her private and sensitve info ,actively being a snake by hijacking the hour they asked for and wasted, qthen acting like they are being flipped out on when someone is simply reporting something other than positive and encouraging words. I'm happy to go easy on putting a thread up every time I got fucked but whoever does this kind of stuff isn't the type of person who I'm going to be silenced by. Unlike a coward who won't show his face to the woman he's freely screwing over and stressing out , I will put my name on my words and risk not being a favorite of some jackass who hides and defaults to surreptitious ways of making us less safe.  .

I can refrain from blasting these pussies when they quit contributing their malfeasance to our short lives and  being socially unacceptable human beings . Their "shame-on-me" rationale is shameful to any real man and not something I consider as worthy of my fear.  Any unannounced entry into my home by someone who has this info will learn the way their shit is regarded by a bad bitch who grew up on hunted game. Just sayin....

 

 

Edited September 20, 2015 by B_randy
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[Guest]

Lots of stuff that will take up too much space if I actually quote it

Clients don't matter, so fuck this post.  Unless we're throwing money around.

Edited September 27, 2015 by Magic_boots

[Keyser]

Perhaps you should stop doing incalls in your RESIDENCE if you feel so unsafe...

[Guest]

Wtf is with that quote thing? I hate that thing. Guess I should stop posting and it wouldn't be a problem, yes?

Nope...it's not you.  I like to think I'm pretty smart, but the multiquote function here has me completely stumped.

As to not working out of your residence, probably not a bad idea.  You would at least feel a bit safer at night.

Ultimately:  your business, your decision.

[Guest]

As much as I'd love to be able to rent a separate incall, I simply cannot.  Despite my healthy income and cash flow, I am trying to A)get a storefront for my floral design,  and B)provide complete financial support for sick parent who is not going to ever completely recover. 

 

But, believe me, if i could I would.

[Keyser]

Sure, or perhaps as a whole, blaming victims of various bs shouldn't be the very first thing everyone races to do.   I posted that as a message to people who have no nuts and have left no other possibility of being reached (assuming that they blocked my number), yet of course, there's always people who are there to tell me how I SHOULD LIVE when that is not really the issue at hand here.

You really think that posting a message here is going to stop this from happening?  The likelihood that the guys you're targeting even read this board is very slim.  What's slimmer is the chance they'll read your post, see the error of their ways and never do it again.

<snip> perhaps entertain the thought that people should just take responsibility for their own actions as opposed to blaming the victims. Just a thought...

You mean like someone taking responsibility for the fact that they chose to escort out of their personal residence then complains when clients make them feel unsafe living there?  I think what's happening sucks and I don't blame you for being upset, but you are also responsible for half of the equation here.  This isn't blaming the victim, it's pointing out the facts.

[Guest]

I'd bet they see it enough, considering how many people call me that got my # from TOB, yet are telling me that they "just don't do online stuff."  Pretty contradictory point there,  which also makes me wonder how paying to advertise, on a site that provides my contact info to just anyone and everyone who doesn't feel like joining up, is all that helpful to me. But I digress...

 

Sure ok, 50% on me, I feel you on that but...I mean, some of the cluelessness of the reasons I was given by some..."I didn't steal your info, I plan to call you in the future but today I just had to go take care of this (outrageously wild) emergency.  I thought this was perfectly okay since I'm gonna come back." The person who said this so sweetly on the phone was either just that stupid,  or they are a complete sociopath and I need to buy a .38 In case I've got me a stalker. The thing is...I am not one to want to be afraid of everyone and everything.  I want to believe that some people are just too clueless to function more than I want to believe that everyone who I encounter could be a shit heel and I should behave as  such.  Do I get my heart broken and my stuff stolen occasionally? Sadly, yes. But I also walk around generally happy and open to meeting new people. I have had a very good-crazy and fun life with no serious trouble, and I would say the friends I've made FAR outweigh the people who've made me say "fuck people." I like to live as a person who has trust until it is revoked by the other, rather than by someone before them. 

But it sure would be cool if people who bring trouble would, like, knock it off. Right?

I can't tell anyone to do anything but it's just to offer a viewpoint to raise awareness on something that's a problem too frequently. Doesn't hurt to at least be like "hey, you're an ass and here's why from someone who knows how to throw some burn." Doesn't hurt to ask in a stern manner.

[fork]

People are going to be assholes, and no number of PSAs will change that, unfortunately.

I understand the need to rant, absolutely. But I think screening, P411, and provider-only boards are going to help a lot more than rants will.

[Lucy Kitten]

People are going to be assholes, and no number of PSAs will change that, unfortunately.

I understand the need to rant, absolutely. But I think screening, P411, and provider-only boards are going to help a lot more than rants will.

We don't really have those anymore and this is just as much the ladies place to vent as it is the gents (even before the switch it had been years since the EOB had allowed new members). So why can't we rant? It's also something guys need to be aware of. Screening gets more difficult by the day and P411 doesn't stop people from doing creepy things.

These are the kind of things that providers deal with on a pretty regular basis, these are the reasons  we get cranky and bitter. It's nice to be heard when we suffer frustrations like this and I would think that any guy who actively participates would be happy to have a little bit of provider insight or understanding about what goes on behind the curtain.

If you don't think it helps you don't have to read the threads but just understand how therapeutic it is to share something like that with a community of people who actually have some understanding. Often times sharing these things here is the only outlet we have because we can't always fix things but we sure as hell can bitch about them right?

[Lucy Kitten]

You really think that posting a message here is going to stop this from happening?  The likelihood that the guys you're targeting even read this board is very slim.  What's slimmer is the chance they'll read your post, see the error of their ways and never do it again.

You mean like someone taking responsibility for the fact that they chose to escort out of their personal residence then complains when clients make them feel unsafe living there?  I think what's happening sucks and I don't blame you for being upset, but you are also responsible for half of the equation here.  This isn't blaming the victim, it's pointing out the facts.

You are victim blaming! You are assuming that maybe she had some other choices that maybe she really didn't and in the end she ended up divulging personal crap to defend herself to you.You're judging a situation without all the details. I think that's exactly what victim blaming is. Kudos to the ladies that can afford an incall and to keep a roof over their head but I don't have the extra 2k just flowing in to make that possible. I don't know why it's unreasonable for someone to do this from their home and take precaution to be upset when someone fucks with them. She is in no way responsible for some assholes behavior because that makes him less accountable for being such dick cheese.

It's unfortunate but....but nothing. Anyone could come to your home and act like a jerk your brother, your BFF, someone you invited to a party. Would you blame yourself for their behavior? Fact is we should really in all aspects of life start holding people accountable for bad behavior and not try to pass it off on other people because they shouldn't, could've done something different.

[Bit Banger]

We don't really have those anymore and this is just as much the ladies place to vent as it is the gents (even before the switch it had been years since the EOB had allowed new members). So why can't we rant? It's also something guys need to be aware of. Screening gets more difficult by the day and P411 doesn't stop people from doing creepy things.

These are the kind of things that providers deal with on a pretty regular basis, these are the reasons  we get cranky and bitter. It's nice to be heard when we suffer frustrations like this and I would think that any guy who actively participates would be happy to have a little bit of provider insight or understanding about what goes on behind the curtain.

If you don't think it helps you don't have to read the threads but just understand how therapeutic it is to share something like that with a community of people who actually have some understanding. Often times sharing these things here is the only outlet we have because we can't always fix things but we sure as hell can bitch about them right?

True. Just as we guys have a place to vent our frustrations about BSC hookers and their unpleasant behaviors, the gals deserve a similar place. With the new board these venues have been merged. What we need to recognize is that these cautionary tales of horror do not apply to everyone, male or female; not all of us are villians in this morality play. But even the saintly can learn from them. 

[Lucy Kitten]

True. Just as we guys have a place to vent our frustrations about BSC hookers and their unpleasant behaviors, the gals deserve a similar place. With the new board these venues have been merged. What we need to recognize is that these cautionary tales of horror do not apply to everyone, male or female; not all of us are villians in this morality play. But even the saintly can learn from them. 

Like I said this is our place too and was before the swicth.The last I remember any new member being allowed on the EOB was 2012 and so this place has evolved and it's definitely a more shared community. It would be nice if just once you guys could give the whole BSC thing a rest. We hear it all the time and there is certainly no need to remind us that we have to listen to that crap too.

The cautionary tales only apply to all ladies when it comes to screening you meant to say though right?

[Guest]

I'm with ya b_randy! I hope that every ncns's life becomes a living hell in the near future and that they die of a horrible death. 

[Bit Banger]

I'm with ya b_randy! I hope that every ncns's life becomes a living hell in the near future and that they die of a horrible death. 

ya'know, we clients feel the same way about NCNS providers 

[Guest]

Men who collect our address by calling us and saying that they are here to get our apartment number are considered a threat.

That's very scary. I'm sorry that happened. Somehow I'm always surprised to hear about the creepy things clients do. I know I only see women who work from a private incall, so it really bothers me that people would take advantage of that. The last thing I want is for good, reputable providers to be scared out of their place and into a hotel where I probably won't ever go. We're all just supposed to be having fun. I always  think of clients and providers being "on the same side". There are plenty of people out there trying to make this difficult for us. We all need to be cool and look out for each other.

I did have one provider meet me in a public space in her apartment complex and walk me to her door. I didn't find that to be a problem at all. In fact, I liked having a few seconds to chat before getting inside. Just a thought.

And for the record, I appreciate hearing stories like this. It really helps us understand where women are coming from, and why they are so cautious, at least the first time we meet. 

[Bit Banger]

 ...

The cautionary tales only apply to all ladies when it comes to screening you meant to say though right?

No, I was saying that the cautionary tales are not accurate descriptions of all providers or clients. Not all providers are BSC and not all clients have dingle berries.

As for screening, everybody needs to do their research. Though it does irk me at times that some providers tend to expect more personal details of clients than they are willing to reciprocate.

[Guest]

Though it does irk me at times that some providers tend to expect more personal details of clients than they are willing to reciprocate.

One of those subjects that comes up all the time. I think stories like this one illustrate why women are careful. And as I've said before, if I'm seeing her in her home, I don't need her to tell me her name. Telling me where you live is giving me a great deal of trust, as this thread implies.

[fork]

We don't really have those anymore and this is just as much the ladies place to vent as it is the gents (even before the switch it had been years since the EOB had allowed new members). So why can't we rant?

Where did I say you couldn't rant?

If you don't think it helps you don't have to read the threads but just understand how therapeutic it is to share something ...

That's why I said "I understand the need to rant, absolutely."

[pfunk]

Though it does irk me at times that some providers tend to expect more personal details of clients than they are willing to reciprocate.

It's because there are WAAYYY more BSC "clients", than BSC providers. Virtually every girl has had a stalker, a guy who won't take "no" for an answer, or a guy who tries to dig up her real personal information. This doesn't even count the liars, short changers, boundary pushers,  time wasters, outers, religious nut lecturers, and actual killers.

The girls have many, many, many more threats than the guys. 

[boink36]

We don't really have those anymore and this is just as much the ladies place to vent as it is the gents (even before the switch it had been years since the EOB had allowed new members). So why can't we rant? It's also something guys need to be aware of. Screening gets more difficult by the day and P411 doesn't stop people from doing creepy things.

These are the kind of things that providers deal with on a pretty regular basis, these are the reasons  we get cranky and bitter. It's nice to be heard when we suffer frustrations like this and I would think that any guy who actively participates would be happy to have a little bit of provider insight or understanding about what goes on behind the curtain.

If you don't think it helps you don't have to read the threads but just understand how therapeutic it is to share something like that with a community of people who actually have some understanding. Often times sharing these things here is the only outlet we have because we can't always fix things but we sure as hell can bitch about them right?

 

Like I said this is our place too and was before the swicth.The last I remember any new member being allowed on the EOB was 2012 and so this place has evolved and it's definitely a more shared community. It would be nice if just once you guys could give the whole BSC thing a rest. We hear it all the time and there is certainly no need to remind us that we have to listen to that crap too.

The cautionary tales only apply to all ladies when it comes to screening you meant to say though right?

The first post says providers should rant and it's very therapeutic.

The second post says clients shouldn't rant and you're tired of hearing it.

Very interesting, I suddenly find myself compelled to go back and read all the "wash your ass" threads. 

 

 

[Lucy Kitten]

 

The first post says providers should rant and it's very therapeutic.

The second post says clients shouldn't rant and you're tired of hearing it.

Very interesting, I suddenly find myself compelled to go back and read all the "wash your ass" threads. 

 

 

Never did I say shouldn't. Read it again. I asked if for once it could not be brought up where it didn't really belong. Just said we don't need the constant reminders

PS you wont find any contributions from me on the wash your ass threads.

Edited September 22, 2015 by Lucy Kitten

[Keyser]

 

You are victim blaming! You are assuming that maybe she had some other choices that maybe she really didn't and in the end she ended up divulging personal crap to defend herself to you.You're judging a situation without all the details.

Sorry, I have all the details.  Detail #1 - she's doing incall from her residence.  Detail #2 - she doesn't like that people are fucking with her.  Exactly what other details are relevant?

Arguing that she had no other choice is demeaning and infantilizing. We always have choices.  She made a choice to incall out of her residence.  If she can't afford a separate incall then her choices would be:

• do incall at her residence
• only do outcall
• not be a provider

 She made a choice to do incall at her residence, and this is one of the possible complications.  I find it humorous that the OP acknowledged that this situation is partly her fault, but you won't.

 

I don't know why it's unreasonable for someone to do this from their home and take precaution to be upset when someone fucks with them. She is in no way responsible for some assholes behavior because that makes him less accountable for being such dick cheese.

It's unfortunate but....but nothing. Anyone could come to your home and act like a jerk your brother, your BFF, someone you invited to a party. Would you blame yourself for their behavior? Fact is we should really in all aspects of life start holding people accountable for bad behavior and not try to pass it off on other people because they shouldn't, could've done something different.

It's not unreasonable to do this from your home or to be upset when people fuck with you.  What's unreasonable is to argue that the provider bears no responsibility for the situation.  You ladies know first hand that some of us are total assholes, yet you invite total strangers into your personal residence and then express complete innocence when things go wrong.  I'm not saying you're horrible people.  I'm not saying you're stupid.  I'm simply saying that things aren't black and white and that the asshole clients don't bear 100% of the responsibility.  You want people held accountable for bad behavior, yet won't hold yourself accountable for being 50% of the situation.  If you don't want asshole clients to have your info, don't incall from your home.  If you don't want to deal with asshole clients at all, don't be a provider.  If you choose to do both of those things, don't come on here and say I'm blaming the victim because you're not the victim, you're the person who chose to put yourself in that situation.