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Hello everyone I'm Rob. I've got questions for any and all willing to add .02

Obviously I'm new to the hobby my "free" provider ran off to join the circus..

Thus far I've been stood up twice and called back by an add that insisted I come now. Luckily I fell off the turnip truck a long time ago. :D

Is there a better place to search then BP ? What does the vetting process include for successful LE free fun? Anything else anyone can add would be great!

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Looking up reviews here is a very good place to start! Good luck.

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Hello everyone I'm Rob. I've got questions for any and all willing to add .02 Thus far I've been stood up twice and called back by an add that insisted I come now. Is there a better place to search then BP?

Anything else anyone can add would be great!

Be wise, play smart. Hopefully Rob is not your real name. Be sure to protect your identity and personal information. Do not give out your personal information to any escorts. This way your personal information cant be used against you later.

NEWBIE'S

Create a hobby name. Example: Jake TheSnake

Create a hobby email. Example: jakethesnake@gmail.com

Get a hobby phone. Example: TracPhone from 7-Eleven for cash. Buy a new days and minutes refill card at 7-Eleven for cash every 60 or 90 days ($19.99 for 90-days)(all cash/burner plans require this). Used your hobby email for the Tracfone sign up. For more phone options http://www.theotherboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40633&highlight=hobby+phones

Research each provider: Find two providers who will see you without screening. Make sure these two providers have p411 profiles. They will give you ok's and then you don't need to ask any escort for a reference. Your okays are your reference without asking.

Write reviews: Be sure to contribute to the board and write reviews on the two escorts you seen.

Sign up for p411 account: P411 New Client Application https://www.preferred411.com/secure//index.cfm?fx=Client_Add&ref=0

Use a hobby phone, hobby email, do your homework research each provider you choose to visit. Once you have figured out she's safe to see. Contact her and get your screening out the way. So your not doing last minute booking and you haven't done any screening.

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Is there a better place to search then BP ?

Escort Boards (Denver area) Look for "newbie-friendly" providers.

Good luck

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Be wise, play smart. Hopefully Rob is not your real name. Be sure to protect your identity and personal information. Do not give out your personal information to any escorts. This way your personal information cant be used against you later.

NEWBIE'S

Create a hobby name. Example: Jake TheSnake

Create a hobby email. Example: jakethesnake@gmail.com

Get a hobby phone. Example: TracPhone from 7-Eleven for cash. Buy a new days and minutes refill card at 7-Eleven for cash every 60 or 90 days ($19.99 for 90-days)(all cash/burner plans require this). Used your hobby email for the Tracfone sign up. For more phone options http://www.theotherboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40633&highlight=hobby+phones

Research each provider: Find two providers who will see you without screening. Make sure these two providers have p411 profiles. They will give you ok's and then you don't need to ask any escort for a reference. Your okays are your reference without asking.

Write reviews: Be sure to contribute to the board and write reviews on the two escorts you seen.

Sign up for p411 account: P411 New Client Application https://www.preferred411.com/secure//index.cfm?fx=Client_Add&ref=0

Use a hobby phone, hobby email, do your homework research each provider you choose to visit. Once you have figured out she's safe to see. Contact her and get your screening out the way. So your not doing last minute booking and you haven't done any screening.

Always trust what Nikki Holiday says: she speaks the truth & will never steer you wrong.

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I'm not a Doctor, but I play one in the bedroom...

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Thanks for all he input. So it's not unusual to be asked for a reference?

Already have a good Walter white phone learned the hard way from CL in my 20s....

Glad to hear 411 is legit.

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This is all just a crap shoot. You never know what type of experience you will have when you schedule an appointment. You can improve your odds of having a nice visit by using EB or P411 over using BackPage. Sure, reviews help but they do not guarantee anything. If a provider is having a bad day and you are the unlucky recipient then all those fantastic reviews are meaningless, i.e., the dreaded PIZZA appointment previously mentioned in another thread.

If I was starting out in the hobby, I would private message some of the long time posters and ask for recommendations. You may not have the same preference in women but at least you will get started on the right track.

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The Adult Industry is one big crap shoot, at the end of the day each individual has to own their own choices. STD's getting popped your SO finding out ect ect ect...

Both Johns and ladies are getting popped more frequently these days and with pictures showing on the net I can see where a john can be compromised be willing to work with Le to avoid any legal problems himself. Ladies run a risk of relying on references from other ladies which themselves may have be compromised.

So play at your own risk.

Happy Hobbying

SJ

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In two words: research everyone. That is all...

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P411 has worked very well for me. I initially found a provider who seemed perfect for me, but required 3 P411 OK's. I knew I had a hard task ahead of me to get to 3, but I forged ahead. ;)

My 1st provider was newbie-friendly, but she disappeared almost right after I saw her. She did give me the OK I sought first.

The 2nd provider I tried to set things up with found the sudden disappearance of provider #1 a bit alarming and was unable to screen sufficiently. That was the only time I was asked for a reference.

I ended up getting my 2nd OK from another newbie-friendly YL, and the 3rd only required 2 OK's, so I was set. Since then I just see mostly the same 10 ladies over and over again, and my requests are via SMS. When I do see someone new from P411 now it goes effortlessly.

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As a pilot I learned that an airplane crash rarely results from just one thing going wrong. When you study crashes, you realized that there was a chain of bad events, and if just one correct action had been taken at some point in the chain, the tragedy would have been averted.

I think the hobby is just like that: No one thing is going to guarantee success, but if you layer your safety margins you can bring the risk down to an acceptable level (in my world risk consists of getting arrested).

Layer 1: Only see P411 ladies who themselves have high standards (i.e. 3 Oks, etc.). I don't want to hear the chorus of disagreements, I am just pointing out my personal risk management matrix.

Layer 2: Only see ladies with lots of good reviews. Don't just check the reviews, check the reviewers. If a lady has seen lots of gentlemen who have seen lots of ladies, the chance that she is a LE officer gets pretty small.

Layer 3: Stay out of sketchy parts of town.

Layer 4: Keep your antenna up. Do not, under any circumstances, ask for anything in a text, phone call or e-mail other than a few moments of the lady's time. There was a thread about how a bunch of guys got popped in Fort Collins after just knocking on the door. You know damn well that the LE has a tape of them describing in lurid detail what sort of sordid activities they desire, that is the probable cause. A LE officer posing as an escort will ask you for the money and will ask you to describe what you want to do while her clothes are still on. Proceed accordingly.

The LE cannot just bust in and arrest the two of you based upon thinking you are up to something. One of the parties (escort or john) has to be working with the LE and running a sting. If you are sure that you are not LE, then all you have to worry about is the other person. If the lady is a meticulous screener, she is not likely to be LE, since the LE folks want you to come fall for the sting.

This all just makes sure that you won't get arrested. The reviews also minimize the chance that you will have a lousy time, but there is never a guarantee on that issue - such is life -YMMV.

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The LE cannot just bust in and arrest the two of you based upon thinking you are up to something. One of the parties (escort or john) has to be working with the LE and running a sting. If you are sure that you are not LE, then all you have to worry about is the other person.

Not always true. There was a story posted on this board just a few months ago about someone noticing that men were frequently going in and out of a particular room at a Motel 6, I believe in Washington state. The police staked the room, identified the girls who went in based on a Backpage ad with their pictures, and soon started arresting guys who they watched enter and leave the room. Probable cause? Pretty good chance that's a yes, given the hourly "in and out" and the girls being linked to the Backpage ad. In that example, neither the John nor the ASPs were LE. (Maybe someone less lazy than I can run a search for the article/thread on this board and confirm my memory of the details.)

Will arrests like those turn into actual convictions, ultimately? Maybe, maybe not. That could depend on what the ladies in the room choose to say to the arresting officers (especially in light of any deal they may be offered). But the arrest itself is not going to be annulled or erased or whatever. Those mugshots stay in the book (and maybe posted on the Interwebz). :mad:

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The LE cannot just bust in and arrest the two of you based upon thinking you are up to something. One of the parties (escort or john) has to be working with the LE and running a sting.

I am sorry but I have to disagree with you. I just learned a friend of mine was popped (Ft. Collins). LE was stopping clients after they left her incall and asked lots of questions. Several clients called and warned her. Enough info was gleaned by LE to arrest her.

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I am sorry but I have to disagree with you. I just learned a friend of mine was popped (Ft. Collins). LE was stopping clients after they left her incall and asked lots of questions. Several clients called and warned her. Enough info was gleaned by LE to arrest her.

This is a really bad scenario to find yourself in, and to be honest, I'm not completely sure what you should do. But I suspect that if you calmly and politely explain that you mean no disrespect, but you are exercising your Fifth Amendment right and refuse to answer any questions, you're going to come out of it as well as you can. If they have reason to believe that an illegal activity is taking place, they can detain you. However, in that situation, I'd bet it's just as likely that they're fishing for that reason, and if you say the wrong thing, you may well be giving it to them. If you politely refuse to incriminate yourself, there's at lease a chance that you'll be on your way a couple of minutes later. Don't forget to ask if you're being detained, or if you're free to go. Unfortunately, Colorado does have a "stop and identify" law, so I'm pretty sure if they ask for ID, you have to show it to them. I'm certainly not saying it's fool proof, and I really don't know if I'd be Joe Cool if I were in that situation. But I'd sure as hell try.

Let's all be as safe as we can and hope we never have to find out.

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I am sorry but I have to disagree with you. I just learned a friend of mine was popped (Ft. Collins). LE was stopping clients after they left her incall and asked lots of questions. Several clients called and warned her. Enough info was gleaned by LE to arrest her.

Actually, this scenario is not the first time to happen.

The old timers here will know of which Retired Provider I am referring to. Her neighbor COMPLAINED to LE, LE checked out the traffic, stopped drivers after leaving. Is there more to the story, yes, but every detail is not relevant. What is relevant is that this, was started by a Neighbor making a COMPLAINT.

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LE checked out the traffic, stopped drivers after leaving.

Drivers. Not walkers. Because once you're in your car, they can ask for ID.

I know it makes some of the women uncomfortable. But park around the corner. And when you're walking to your car, be aware. And be prepared to keep walking.

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There is another rule:

Only see low volume ladies in upscale hotels, or even better - you get the room and she comes to you. Then you know LE is unlikely to be monitoring.

I am always cautious about seeing a lady at her residence. Be very careful, drive past to check out the neighbors to see if they are watching. It is easy to look like you are not sure where you are going and trying to find your way.

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Drivers. Not walkers. Because once you're in your car, they can ask for ID.

I know it makes some of the women uncomfortable. But park around the corner. And when you're walking to your car, be aware. And be prepared to keep walking.

Everyone, Please do not get a False sense of Security if you are walking. IF, and let's say, it Is a big if, LE has been given the heads up on a Static location, they will be monitoring traffic coming in and out of that door. YES, LE can stop a pedestrian so I hope no one here thinks they cannot. LE is not actively searching for Static location, they are always exposed because the Provider was reckless in conducting business and/or was also engaging in Felony activities as well.

Up scale hotels are also not any safer. Not only do you have housekeeping watching, you also have every other hotel employee also being trained to watch. And let's not forget cameras, you are being recorded coming and going. Hotels have been known to knock on doors of suspected rooms with such activities and give both parties a choice of LE involvement or being banned from All of those hotels properties. Hotels would rather not call LE. They will work with LE upon request though.

A smart provider knows how to space her appointments so NOT TO DRAW ATTENTION. This applies to both static and hotels. Conduct your business with a revolving door, you'll eventually get noticed. Conduct FELONY Activities, you are asking for trouble.

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There is another rule:

Only see low volume ladies in upscale hotels, or even better - you get the room and she comes to you. Then you know LE is unlikely to be monitoring.

I am always cautious about seeing a lady at her residence. Be very careful, drive past to check out the neighbors to see if they are watching. It is easy to look like you are not sure where you are going and trying to find your way.

This is why you don't run a bunch of traffic through your home. (big mistake)

Their are other options. Like outcall and traveling. Do not stay at the same hotels/ watch out for the hotels owned under the same corporations. Its best you don't put all your eggs into one basket.

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Everyone, Please do not get a False sense of Security if you are walking. IF, and let's say, it Is a big if, LE has been given the heads up on a Static location, they will be monitoring traffic coming in and out of that door. YES, LE can stop a pedestrian so I hope no one here thinks they cannot. LE is not actively searching for Static location, they are always exposed because the Provider was reckless in conducting business and/or was also engaging in Felony activities as well.

Up scale hotels are also not any safer. Not only do you have housekeeping watching, you also have every other hotel employee also being trained to watch. And let's not forget cameras, you are being recorded coming and going. Hotels have been known to knock on doors of suspected rooms with such activities and give both parties a choice of LE involvement or being banned from All of those hotels properties. Hotels would rather not call LE. They will work with LE upon request though.

A smart provider knows how to space her appointments so NOT TO DRAW ATTENTION. This applies to both static and hotels. Conduct your business with a revolving door, you'll eventually get noticed. Conduct FELONY Activities, you are asking for trouble.

I agree with you. Your certainly right about this.

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Everyone, Please do not get a False sense of Security if you are walking. IF, and let's say, it Is a big if, LE has been given the heads up on a Static location, they will be monitoring traffic coming in and out of that door. YES, LE can stop a pedestrian so I hope no one here thinks they cannot.

Absolutely, they can do whatever they like. If they have probable cause they can stop you walking down the street and arrest you. I was just pointing out that they may just as well be investigating a complaint. If they're investigating, no, they can not just stop you from walking down a street. If all they have is a lot of people in and out a front door, they're looking for someone to say the wrong thing, giving them probable cause.

You can politely ask if you're being detained or free to go. If they have no reason to detain you, you can go on about your business. As soon as you get in a car, they can stop you and ask to see a license. You do not have to "show your papers" while walking down a street. There is no law saying you have to carry ID at all times. There is a law that says you have to have a license to drive and they can stop you and ask to see it. If they have the choice, they'll wait for you to get in a car. Just makes their job easier.

I'd take all my "expert" legal advice with a grain of salt. I'm a guy on a forum. Hell, I'm not even a Libertarian. Research it yourself. I'd encourage everyone to have a basic understanding of these laws. I still think it's very unlikely any of us will need to know these things, but if we ever do, it's good to have the basics.

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Absolutely, they can do whatever they like. If they have probable cause they can stop you walking down the street and arrest you. I was just pointing out that they may just as well be investigating a complaint. If they're investigating, no, they can not just stop you from walking down a street. If all they have is a lot of people in and out a front door, they're looking for someone to say the wrong thing, giving them probable cause.

You can politely ask if you're being detained or free to go. If they have no reason to detain you, you can go on about your business. As soon as you get in a car, they can stop you and ask to see a license. You do not have to "show your papers" while walking down a street. There is no law saying you have to carry ID at all times. There is a law that says you have to have a license to drive and they can stop you and ask to see it. If they have the choice, they'll wait for you to get in a car. Just makes their job easier.

I'd take all my "expert" legal advice with a grain of salt. I'm a guy on a forum. Hell, I'm not even a Libertarian. Research it yourself. I'd encourage everyone to have a basic understanding of these laws. I still think it's very unlikely any of us will need to know these things, but if we ever do, it's good to have the basics.

ABSOLUTELY! !

I'm always amazed at how many in our society don't have a basic understanding of Their Constitutional Rights. We can all contribute to forums here and elsewhere, yet, it up to each one of us individually to research, talk to your attorney/s and try out best to stay current on ever changing Federal and State Laws.

We do have a known Hobbyist here who could possibly expand more on the LE perspective. Those who have been on TOB for years know of whom I speak of. I haven't seen him post in about a year or so though.

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if you mean bc, lot longer than year. Most important thing to keep in mind: never, never, never, ever admit anything illegal to a cop. No matter what they ask, offer or threaten. Never. Polite cooperation certainly, but self incriminate - never. Did I say never enough times to make point?

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Be wise, play smart. Hopefully Rob is not your real name. Be sure to protect your identity and personal information. Do not give out your personal information to any escorts. This way your personal information cant be used against you later.

NEWBIE'S

Create a hobby name. Example: Jake TheSnake

Create a hobby email. Example: jakethesnake@gmail.com

Get a hobby phone. Example: TracPhone from 7-Eleven for cash. Buy a new days and minutes refill card at 7-Eleven for cash every 60 or 90 days ($19.99 for 90-days)(all cash/burner plans require this). Used your hobby email for the Tracfone sign up. For more phone options http://www.theotherboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40633&highlight=hobby+phones

Research each provider: Find two providers who will see you without screening. Make sure these two providers have p411 profiles. They will give you ok's and then you don't need to ask any escort for a reference. Your okays are your reference without asking.

Write reviews: Be sure to contribute to the board and write reviews on the two escorts you seen.

Sign up for p411 account: P411 New Client Application https://www.preferred411.com/secure//index.cfm?fx=Client_Add&ref=0

Use a hobby phone, hobby email, do your homework research each provider you choose to visit. Once you have figured out she's safe to see. Contact her and get your screening out the way. So your not doing last minute booking and you haven't done any screening.

What a good, simple, direct and easy-to-follow piece of advise!!

Thank you Nikki!!

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Be wise, play smart. Hopefully Rob is not your real name. Be sure to protect your identity and personal information. Do not give out your personal information to any escorts. This way your personal information cant be used against you later.

NEWBIE'S

Create a hobby name. Example: Jake TheSnake

Create a hobby email. Example: jakethesnake@gmail.com

Get a hobby phone. Example: TracPhone from 7-Eleven for cash. Buy a new days and minutes refill card at 7-Eleven for cash every 60 or 90 days ($19.99 for 90-days)(all cash/burner plans require this). Used your hobby email for the Tracfone sign up. For more phone options http://www.theotherboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40633&highlight=hobby+phones

Research each provider: Find two providers who will see you without screening. Make sure these two providers have p411 profiles. They will give you ok's and then you don't need to ask any escort for a reference. Your okays are your reference without asking.

Write reviews: Be sure to contribute to the board and write reviews on the two escorts you seen.

Sign up for p411 account: P411 New Client Application https://www.preferred411.com/secure//index.cfm?fx=Client_Add&ref=0

Use a hobby phone, hobby email, do your homework research each provider you choose to visit. Once you have figured out she's safe to see. Contact her and get your screening out the way. So your not doing last minute booking and you haven't done any screening.

So are you say that you are going to use my personal information you asked me for last summer when I contacted you against me?

As for the guys thinking that Nikki gives "Golden information" please read Gina's responses in other threads to her comments.

In the very least read her own past posts ..... :rolleyes: .

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Most of everything said is good advice. The vice cops have been known to intimidate those leaving a suspected location of adult services. Some jurisdictions have seizure ordinances that only need a preponderance of a doubt(51%), not beyond reasonable doubt. Some jurisdictions have things set up where the arrested person has to spend 24 hours in jail before seeing a judge, posting bond or making a telephone call. In other words, sentence before proof. As far as probable cause, a lady's picture on EB, BP,P411, or any other site, plus traffic at the site meets the requirement.

Virtually all ASPs I have seen are acutely aware of their environment and take steps to ensure maximum safety for the client as well as themselves. They don't bring attention to themselves, don't piss off neighbors, aren't rude to hotel staff, aren't demanding and are generally considered great hotel guests and neighbors. What I'm trying to say if you run into an ASP who appears frustrated, demanding, rude, or insolent, it does increase the chance of attracting LE's attention. I don't know how much it increases attention, but I do know of cases where a ripped off client, upset neighbors/hotel staff or loud and obnoxious clients have resulted in LE action. There is no guaranteed way to avoid risks but being smart minimizes risk.

If you are going to hobby, be aware of the risks. If contacted by LE, remain calm, do not panic, and don't melt under the pressure. If they have the right to seize your car, arrest you, etc, they often make assurances that they can let you go, not seize your car, no jail booking, etc. If they follow through on these issues, they never had a case in the first place. If they have a case, they will milk you for everything they can, then still put you through the system. If you really want to save your car without legal help, expect to become an informant for some set period of time and a set number of ASPs to be arrested.

The hobby is great. The ASPs take their risks and their lumps. Hobbyists should accept their risks, as well as their lumps. Doing anything else just makes a shitty situation shittier, causes lots of harm to others as well as your own reputation, and creates not only more shitty situations, but more paranoia.

I don't know if Heidi was referencing this posted, but she can verify my background.

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Aloha and a big big YES!!

Anyone who has been on TOB for a few years knows just how forthcoming and honest you have been. To my knowledge, you really are the only one qualified to address matters from the"other" side of things.

For those of you still not getting it, do some research on this Gentleman's postings, then you will.

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