Thoughts???

[NaughtyNiceGuy]

The demand for beef causes all sorts of producers and products to enter the market so you have orived my point. Thanks.

[MAG]

The demand for beef causes all sorts of producers and products to enter the market so you have orived my point. Thanks.

This thread has morphed (devolved?) from a semi-useful discussion of human trafficking to a kindergarten-level argument about meat.

Mods, is it time to shut this one down (I hope)?

[louisville42]

This thread has morphed (devolved?) from a semi-useful discussion of human trafficking to a kindergarten-level argument about meat.

Mods, is it time to shut this one down (I hope)?

Oh, good lord, it's an analogy, and one that has so far produced one good thoughtful response, and one silly one.

[auldguy]

Maybe the issue supports a case for well thought out legalization - wont solve all of the trafficking problems - but still. Of course politicians well be doing the "thinking":eek: and today's solution is a precursor to tomorrows problem.

[Ghost_Rider]

For many, this is the sad truth. It seems distant to me, as the ladies I know, don't have or use pimps, they do this for fun and profit . I suppose our little corner of the world doesn't reflect the bigger picture.......

p.s. I like my corner of the world

[Guest]

i won't deny the existence of trafficking, although to me it feel like a remote reality. i honestly haven't the faintest idea of the statistics & would seriously question the relevancy of any figures that do exist as nearly all facets of this industry operate under clandestine conditions. so it would be near impossible to collect accurate data & even more difficult to decipher the differences in experiences. i've known dozens of providers both locally in colorado & also in nevada. never in the decade plus that i have spent within this industry have i ever (to my knowledge) met anyone who had a "pimp," unless of course you wish to include agency &/or brothel owners under this heading. & no doubt some would likely qualify. although i may be fortunate as i have previously worked as an independent contractor under both, & for myself at least felt that i was always treated fairly & with respect. no one ever suggested or pressured me into this "biz" to begin with (far from it!), nor kept me here by anyone's choice but my own. the way i see it, i essentially hired the agency to manage my business for me... answer phones, screen clients, set appointments, provide an incall, advertising, driver, etc. all i had to do was show up. if & when i wanted to. i was always supported & encouraged in the pursuit of outside ambitions, even when at times they lead me off the scene. & i always felt that i was in sole control of my choice. i've been very blessed. having made my way as an independent for some time now, i have no need or desire to ever go the agency route again. although at best, i do feel they serve a purpose in helping novice talent to establish themselves while they may yet be lacking the knowledge, confidence to run their own show. i would only caution these providers to remember that ultimately it is still always their show. at worst, agencies may serve no better than the image we assign that of a pimp. i'll freely admit to having shared many a hearty laugh with other providers "behind the scenes" at the mere mention of a pimp having been brought up. we simply dismissed their fabled existence as some presumably extinct form of miscreant. it has always just seemed so absurd an idea, especially given this day & age of rampant technology & instant communication at the touch of one's fingertips. their place & purpose (if they ever had one) appeared to me to had grown obsolete.

this is not to say that i haven't met providers who have fallen into (& chosen to remain for however long within) abusive or co-dependent relationships. you could even say that to some degree or other i have, at one time, been one of these women myself; but i feel this is crossing over onto a very real but separate dilemma since relational dysfunction can be observed between men & women of all backgrounds, not just this one. although any already underlying dysfunction between provider & her partner may become magnified under the emotional strains which must be negotiated in light of the particular nature of this work. as too, any underlying dysfunctions within the provider herself. this work will not, of its own, cause a dysfunction within a person; but it may exacerbate existent issues if a person is not already okay with themselves to begin with. especially if they perceive that what they are doing is "wrong." the outcome of one's experience lies in the perception, but not the action itself. i'll admit that there have been times over the course of my herstory when i have questioned whether or not this choice of path was healthy for me. however, i witnessed a genuine sadness on my part at the thought of retiring this chapter of my life just yet. & i've come to realize that what hasn't been healthy for me was the fact that i felt as though i had to keep it a "dirty" secret. play small & hide this pride. not let anyone get too close to me for fear of losing them & at the cost of any true intimacy. i now see that this was all just a story that i had been telling myself. nothing could be further from the truth. & although i still treat my personal vow of client confidentiality with utmost respect, i have slowly but surely been letting the world at large in on the nature of my little "secret," with head held-high & heart wide-open. how thrilling & rewarding! & what's soo cool too is that this light has reflected back upon itself illuminating my work experience. at the risk of sounding like a heretic, it is my earnest belief that each & every single one of us is a child of God. you don't have to believe it & you can trust that i won't try to convince you (although beware, i may inadvertantly succeed in doing so anyway ) but it is my heart-felt conviction that we each represent a face or aspect of the Divine. so for me, this is a soulful journey that i have immersed myself in... a one-of-a-kind opportunity to practice my surrender, deepen my intimacy of Love... & to reclaim my original Innocence.

if anyone can tell me that what i am doing is "wrong," then they're entitled to have a problem with it; but that would be their problem. i needn't take it on as my own. i acknowledge though that if even one single woman anywhere, ever comes by this route by way of trafficking, then she is one person too many. & it is true that i may be indirectly contributing to the demand for this market by providing this service, even if willingly. however, i sense no signs of this "world's oldest profession" abating anytime soon. "in an ideal world, people would laugh at pornography because everyone would be getting so much love & so many hugs, so many climaxes & orgasms that to even think of watching it would feel kind of silly & redundant." -sharon mitchell, former porn actress. i think this observation holds true per this venue too. i'd gladly love to live to see the day. even if it meant i went out of business !

until then, i applaud clients concerns & encourage them to exercise their best judgment. seek out the company of providers who are wise to their own decision & who truly enjoy what they do. it should feel apparent... & if it doesn't, well then... where's the joy in it? for either of you??

as for providers, i encourage each of us to do some sincere soul-searching & to truly follow our hearts, wherever they call us to. & if, after all, we find that we are called here... then may we have the courage to speak up from them too...

only rights can end the wrongs.

[Guest hgritstoo]

........i applaud clients concerns & encourage them to exercise their best judgment. seek out the company of providers who are wise to their own decision & who truly enjoy what they do. it should feel apparent... & if it doesn't, well then... where's the joy in it? for either of you??........

Best advice in the whole damn thread......