Posted April 19, 2013 I came across this on facebook. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx6GJ1X77Hs&feature=youtu.be What are your thoughts and feelings? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 19, 2013 what are your thoughts and feelings? buzzkill! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 19, 2013 (edited) While I'm in no position to doubt the YL's story and I do sympathize with her plight, I do NOT think her story is typical, especially not among this crowd. While I'm certain that there are a few YL here (TOB, EB, P411, etc) who would rather be elsewhere, I don't think any of them are here because someone else is holding a gun to their head or a needle in their arm. I have spoken with some YL who found 'the life' rewarding. While I'm not in the practice of supporting evil, I'm sure that some of my purchases(*) have funded acts of international terror and suffering, indirectly. I can choose to live with it in our modern global society, or become a hermit living in stone age conditions. I choose to maintain my modern lifestyle. (*) Petroleum products, precious metals, many food products, etc. The list goes on... Edited April 19, 2013 by Bit Banger formatting 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 19, 2013 None of you guys will ever know what the behind the scenes are for these ladies, you think they all like the their job, why would you think they don't get pimped out, use drugs, alchohol, been abused and many more reason. Like she said no girl would ever want to sell their body unless there is a reason! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 19, 2013 None of you guys will ever know what the behind the scenes are for these ladies, you think they all like the their job, why would you think they don't get pimped out, use drugs, alchohol, been abused and many more reason. Like she said no girl would ever want to sell their body unless there is a reason! And YOU never know what's behind the scenes, either. There are lots of girls who get "pimped out" and are basically victims of trafficking. And, there are lots of girls who do this because the money is better than their other options. Don't go all "white knight" on us -- we've had enough of that crap lately. And save your judgments for yourself. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 19, 2013 None of you guys will ever know what the behind the scenes are for these ladies And YOU never know what's behind the scenes, either. As both of you said, neither of you knows what happens behind the scenes. This video may be a complete lie, or it may be true. None of us here knows. Do what you think is right. Your actions will be far more effective than any words posted here. As for me, I'll stay away from agencies, anyone I suspect is pimped, and try to have fun. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 19, 2013 Some of us love our job! No ladies on this board or anyboard will ever admit they hate this job for the risk of losing money, or ever admit why they are doing this! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 19, 2013 No ladies on this board or anyboard will ever admit they hate this job for the risk of losing money, or ever admit why they are doing this! So, what the hell are you doing here? You have over 700 posts, on a site that promotes an activity that you seem to despise on a visceral level. If you have such a distaste for the women who participate (regardless of their motivations) and the men who hire them, why do you spend so much time here? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 19, 2013 I know that trafficking happens. I also know that there are so many reasons that providers make the choices they do. I am not their judge or jury. I am happy that they seem to be able to make us happy. I know there are issues. And I know that there are many here that love what they do and show it. Yes there are some here that would do much different. I lost an AFT to one of these issues. She is gone forever. Seems, however that you are putting everyone into the same pool. Not cool and not fair. If I ever found out about trafficking, Id try to help as I really don't like that. But the main item to me is treatment. The best always from me. Tell me that your co-worker or even friends aren't totally whacked out, on the dole, or generally a couple of bubbles off center. Are they much different than this community? Probably not. Judgement of others is not cool in any venue 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 20, 2013 +1 on the trafficking. i also agree with the other things you said here. to stevie's point, i'm sure several of the boys here have known providers who didn't really like the job that much and others who also confided why they do it. they're all individuals and shouldn't be painted with too much of a broad brush [no pun intended] i would say though, the nature of this business makes the dynamics different from any other. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 20, 2013 My Thoughts.... propaganda and complete shit. Not that it doesn't happen because it does. I just don't think it happens as much as they are trying to get everyone to believe it does. That piece to me was completely unbelievable. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 20, 2013 so tell me, mj, just what's an acceptable number of times for it to really happen? this blurb may lack credibility to you, but the fact that it does at all is an undeniable reality that shouldn't be discounted 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 20, 2013 My Thoughts.... propaganda and complete shit. Not that it doesn't happen because it does. I just don't think it happens as much as they are trying to get everyone to believe it does. That piece to me was completely unbelievable. This response further convinces me that the median IQ of hobbyists hovers somewhere around 65. Trafficking is a serious problem, especially in/from the poorer states in Eastern Europe and in parts of East/South Asia. That said, the video looks somewhat staged. Too slick for a girl who's afraid of her pimp. Furthermore, not every girl who has a pimp is also a girl who has been trafficked. The girl sounds like she has a codependent relationship with her boyfriend/pimp. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 20, 2013 This response further convinces me that the median IQ of hobbyists hovers somewhere around 65. If we factor your IQ out, we'd raise it 10 points! That said, the video looks somewhat staged. Too slick for a girl who's afraid of her pimp. Somewhat?! It looks like a high school production, sponsored by "Children of the Night". Posted on the highly trusted YouTube, even. I abhor real trafficking as much as anyone. Unfortunately, it's become a buzzword used to scare people, and not much else. No one has much in real statistics, facts, or solutions, including you. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 20, 2013 No one has much in real statistics, facts, or solutions, including you. And you, apparently. This entire thread can be summed up very easily. Trafficking exists, and not all hookers are victims of trafficking. Let's move on. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 20, 2013 No one has much in real statistics, facts, or solutions http://lmgtfy.com/?q=data+on+women+being+trafficked I bet you're still on dial up and have an aol email address. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 20, 2013 Trafficking exists, and not all hookers are victims of trafficking. Good summary! Though I might have chose a less caustic noun for ASPs. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 20, 2013 No ladies on this board or anyboard will ever admit they hate this job for the risk of losing money, or ever admit why they are doing this! Exactly how good do you think they all are at acting? Exactly how far up our asses do you think all our heads are? Do you really believe that a woman who is abused, threatened, drug-addicted, and despises what she's doing (and probably herself as well) is capable of hiding her feelings so completely that no one here could ever notice? See, the thing is, how you feel about yourself and your actions is reflected in how you act, how you talk, and so on. That shit does come out, and other people can pick up on it--as demonstrated by your own posts... 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 20, 2013 This response further convinces me that the median IQ of hobbyists hovers somewhere around 65. Trafficking is a serious problem, especially in/from the poorer states in Eastern Europe and in parts of East/South Asia. That said, the video looks somewhat staged. Too slick for a girl who's afraid of her pimp. Furthermore, not every girl who has a pimp is also a girl who has been trafficked. The girl sounds like she has a codependent relationship with her boyfriend/pimp. I'm pretty sure that the "it doesn't happen as often as they want us to believe" comments are referring to our situation in the US. I hope we all understand that among the shit-hole countries in this world, there are places where trafficking is rampant. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 20, 2013 I'm sure it happens way to much, trafficking, girls who have pimps. I would think when a guy meets a lady he would have some intuition if the girl was in distress or doing this under duress. I would think that if this was a real concern for a guy they would be best to stick to reputable, established ladies. Avoid back page ( I would think more pimp activity), don't book with really young looking girls (more chance of them being underage/ trafficked). I don't know why most girls go into this. I can only speak for myself. It's not because I don't have options, I have a college education, have had several professional jobs, a very successful legitimate career. One of the main reasons is I get more time to live. Money isn't the main motivator. But time is precious. I don't want to sit in a office for 40-50 hours a week, spend two hours a day on 25 in traffic commuting. Work for some ass hole boss. I feel like the American way of life can make you feel like a caged animal, a rat on a wheel. Go to school, get a good job, pay the mortgage, credit cards, car, etc. See your loved ones for five minutes in the morning, live for the one day you have off a week for yourself to live your life. Work until your in your 60's, develop health problems and then have a few years to your self after you retire until you die. Sounds bleak to me. TIme is so valuable and I love that I get more of it to do the things I am really passionate about and spend time with the people I love. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 21, 2013 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=data+on+women+being+trafficked I bet you're still on dial up and have an aol email address. Really? "It's out there on the internet so it must be true." Seriously? There is a lot of bullshit out there about trafficking. I'm sure there is well researched data, as well. However, when an activity is as deliberately hidden as this is, no one can know, with any degree of certainty, what is accurate, and what's hype. Just like you, many "experts" bullshit a lot. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 21, 2013 Really? "It's out there on the internet so it must be true." Seriously? There is a lot of bullshit out there about trafficking. I'm sure there is well researched data, as well. However, when an activity is as deliberately hidden as this is, no one can know, with any degree of certainty, what is accurate, and what's hype. Just like you, many "experts" bullshit a lot. Did someone perform a lobotomy on you, or are just plain dumb? There is a ton of statistics, collected by various organizations, on this matter. Care to comment on these numbers? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 21, 2013 Interesting thread so far. Not an expert on the subject. Just know I want to do no harm. Is the "non-trafficed" escort a myth? Are the women lying when they say they love their jobs? Combine this thread topic with an older one: http://www.theotherboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19231&highlight=confessions+denver I am in the hobby because of my situation and needs. Am I allowing my own selfish desires to cause harm to others, directly or indirectly, by participating? This is the kind of stuff that keeps me awake at night. Can one participate in this activity and have a conscience? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 21, 2013 Is the "non-trafficed" escort a myth? Want to clarify that the above was a rhetorical question. I have found several true independants. But it is a constant worry when I book a new lady. How do you avoid doing more harm? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 21, 2013 ... I am in the hobby because of my situation and needs. Am I allowing my own selfish desires to cause harm to others, directly or indirectly, by participating? ... Face it - your breathing causes harm to others by depriving them of the oxygen you consume! The carbon dioxide you release with each and every breath contributes to the green house gas, increasing the global temperature, burning up the earth. Then we get to the consumption of industrial goods, fossil based fuels, and agricultural products. Me? I have other things to worry about - like, "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?" 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 21, 2013 Me? I have other things to worry about I agree. I can't stop human trafficking. All i can do is my best to not support, or contribute to, it. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 21, 2013 As participants in this hobby we are all indirectly contributing to human trafficking. If there wasn't a demand there wouldn't be a market for human trafficking. Just because you only see providers that are in this voluntarily doesn't mean they always were. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 22, 2013 As participants in this hobby we are all indirectly contributing to human trafficking. Bullshit. I can't think of a better analogy at the moment, so ladies please don't take offense because I don't mean this as a comparison between you and hunks of meat... But this is like saying that when I pay $20+ per lb for an organic, grass-fed, open-range, Colorado-raised steak at Whole Foods, that I am contributing to the abuse of animals by factory farming, by contributing to the demand for meat. Your claim makes no sense at all if you actually take a moment to think about it, instead of just regurgitating nonsense that you've read somewhere. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 22, 2013 Bullshit. I can't think of a better analogy at the moment, so ladies please don't take offense because I don't mean this as a comparison between you and hunks of meat... But this is like saying that when I pay $20+ per lb for an organic, grass-fed, open-range, Colorado-raised steak at Whole Foods, that I am contributing to the abuse of animals by factory farming, by contributing to the demand for meat. Your claim makes no sense at all if you actually take a moment to think about it, instead of just regurgitating nonsense that you've read somewhere. This is actually a damn good analogy, so I'm gonna run with.....but I agree.....no offense intended to the ladies. The question is, how do you know that is actually grass fed free range beef you're eating? The market meat manager may be buying abused animals at half price and pocketing the markup. Are you a savvy enough consumer to know the difference? If not, you're indirectly supporting the factory farms that sell their product under the table this way.....because there's now a market for it. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
