Posted February 12, 2013 ...the right to speek freely?? Guys when you call a lady for the first time & provide a reference (& that reference clears you)do you feel it is ok (at that point) to ask detailed questions? Ladies once you get an OK from a provider, that a potential client is safe to see, do you feel comfortable with that client asking detailed questions? For me it is clear & simple..Whether we've met, or we're strangers do not EVER ask me for illegal services! Somtimes not saying ANYTHING says A LOT! To many questions is my BIGGEST petpeve! I don't see why so many guys can't see the logic in that! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 12, 2013 I don't think an Ok gives me the "rights" to do anything. In my book.....an ok means I was safe and the lady was able to be in the same room with me for an hour without losing her lunch. No "rights" conferred there. I don't feel comfortable discussing "stuff" until after I have met the YL FTF. I have a P411 profile where I list my stuff ahead of time. The YL <if professional> has a website where she lists her stuff ahead of time. Why would any provider spend time with a client that was so dangerously stupid they can't figure that out? I'm no rocket scientist.....but that's the first thing I picked up on in this hobby. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 12, 2013 ...the right to speek freely?? Guys when you call a lady for the first time & provide a reference (& that reference clears you)do you feel it is ok (at that point) to ask detailed questions? No, particularly if it’s a first time visit. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 12, 2013 I don't think an Ok gives me the "rights" to do anything. In my book.....an ok means I was safe and the lady was able to be in the same room with me for an hour without losing her lunch. No "rights" conferred there. I don't feel comfortable discussing "stuff" until after I have met the YL FTF. I have a P411 profile where I list my stuff ahead of time. The YL <if professional> has a website where she lists her stuff ahead of time. Why would any provider spend time with a client that was so dangerously stupid they can't figure that out? I'm no rocket scientist.....but that's the first thing I picked up on in this hobby. You are right on! I think some of the guys that start asking a lot questions and inappropriate questions, are just ignorant to the hobby. They have not done any research before picking up that phone. Some just get turned on getting a lady on the phone, and being able to talk to her. It's pretty easy to week these guys out and redirect them. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 12, 2013 Just a first step. Sometimes we just have to speak. Normal Just keep it on the surface lest we like the taste of dirty socks 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 12, 2013 I believe It's only natural to have a lot of questions about a provider that you've never met. Because I certainly have a lot about a new client. I try to put as much info as possible on my website to avoid text or phone convo about certain details that a client may want to know. I agree About not discussing services over the phone or text (even if references are cleared) I often ask people to refer to my reviews. This normally helps with a lot of questions that one may have without having to bluntly discuss. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 12, 2013 No. Ladies once you get an OK from a provider,<snip>, do you feel comfortable with that client asking detailed questions? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 12, 2013 First time contact Phone call: Hello may I speak with so and so? Yes well hello my name is some rock star I seen your ad’s and reviews and I would like to inquire about your schedule? Now? Great! Where? I will call when I get to the parking lot... that is about all i need to or ever say.... 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 13, 2013 No, I don't ask questions before meeting a lady. I wait until after the session to ask about services for next time and even that is very rare. When seeing ladies I don't want to know too much, I like the session to just progress naturally with no planned outcomes. Some ladies will start off the session by asking questions such as "what do you like". I don't really like that but I appreciate that she is trying to tailor the session to my liking. IMHO the best sessions are the ones that just happen without any discussions. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 13, 2013 Actions in person BCD are much better than questions. If it is something I like you will know, if not you will know. Any questions on sevices can usually be answered by a quick review search or a providers P411. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 13, 2013 Since the question is on "okays" I assume the question refers to p411 patrons. I never ask about services when contacting an intresting companion. When contacting a p411 poster, I simply give my account info (minus the password) and request that the individual review my profile and let me know if my likes sync up with what the poster is comfortable with. If yes, meeting arrangements are attempted, if no, on to the next intrest..... never discuss such things. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 13, 2013 No its not ok for Jons to ask questions over the phone or in text. I do not use ladies as references, EB or P411. Rumors of p411 having Problems of late is not to be trusted as a sole screening tool but Gina has always made that very clear. So I don't really understand the whole purpose of P411. But, as I have said I never relied on it so it has no impact on my business or the way I do my business. I will say I would be one pissed off bitch if I ran into problems because I trusted someone elses ok. So I do me and only me!!! Lilithia Lilithia 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 13, 2013 Hi all i dont ask much on phone or text im a little new but i dont see a problem inperson to exchange likes and dislikes with the beautiful lady im with and asking her questions that may make me feel more comfortable in the enviroment. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 14, 2013 First time contact Phone call: Hello may I speak with so and so? Yes well hello my name is some rock star I seen your ad’s and reviews and I would like to inquire about your schedule? Now? Great! Where? I will call when I get to the parking lot... that is about all i need to or ever say.... No, I don't ask questions before meeting a lady. I wait until after the session to ask about services for next time and even that is very rare. When seeing ladies I don't want to know too much, I like the session to just progress naturally with no planned outcomes. Some ladies will start off the session by asking questions such as "what do you like". I don't really like that but I appreciate that she is trying to tailor the session to my liking. IMHO the best sessions are the ones that just happen without any discussions. ^ these.... 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 14, 2013 If you're clients are asking a lot of questions, it's time to revisit your business model. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 14, 2013 no, WE don't need to change anything up. A jon can ask whatever question he wants. All I have to say is review my website, reviews, ad and If that does work we are not a good match. Problem solved. Lilithia 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 15, 2013 If you're clients are asking a lot of questions, it's time to revisit your business model. I like it just the way it is....Unfortunately I have to reject potentially nice guys because they don't know proper etiquette. My safety is my first goal...that will NEVER be revamped:D 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 15, 2013 Since the question is on "okays" I assume the question refers to p411 patrons. I never ask about services when contacting an intresting companion. When contacting a p411 poster, I simply give my account info (minus the password) and request that the individual review my profile and let me know if my likes sync up with what the poster is comfortable with. If yes, meeting arrangements are attempted, if no, on to the next intrest..... never discuss such things. Actually no, I may have worded it wrong. I usually do not incounter this with p411 clients....here is an example of a recent email exchange with a client who provided a reference wich cleared...hope this is legal to do here.... Client: Good morning beautiful...I was wondering if I could spend some time with you today, are you available? Me: I am available today do you have a reference from a lady who will verify you are safe to see? Client: You can contact provider x & provider Y:) REFERENCE CLEARED Me: Hi huni I wouldbe happy to see you anytime Client: What is your schedule tomarrow? UTF? Me: I don't answer incriminating answers. Sorry Client: Sorry...didn't mean to cross the line. Me: Its ok, I'm pretty open tomarrow. Client: More than just a FBSM, correct? Me: All Your questions are making me think I don't want to see you. Client: Sorry I thought the others ok'd me...didn't mean to offend you. Me: I do not offer illegal services & am not interested in seeing you. Client: Understood...i wish you the best. That was exactly what happened...minus a few more incriminating comments, probablly a nice guy...but i will never know. For me this type of behavior is intolerable. If a guy does not have either the decency or smarts not to do this I will have to pass. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 15, 2013 +1000 The lousy business models and shitty ads lead to confusion and clients asking about things... Advertising on escort websites, yet, want to only do body rubs. "Deluxe" sessions and prices, yet, no real information what "deluxe" means (IMO: chance to squeeze a couple of extra bucks out of a sap with no change in sevice). Ads with "ask for other sevices and prices". Too many mixed messages. ASPs being sneaky under the guise of being "discreet" (hint: advertising with the other ASPs and taking reviews, not discreet: like Lance Armstrong, only legal/honest one out there? Not fooling anyone, especially PD) Like some providers, put in the ad "no FS", state if topless, nude, or other. Mutual touch or not, and so forth. Cops aren't dumb and a providers being "clever" isn't. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 15, 2013 +1000 The lousy business models and shitty ads lead to confusion and clients asking about things... Advertising on escort websites, yet, want to only do body rubs. "Deluxe" sessions and prices, yet, no real information what "deluxe" means (IMO: chance to squeeze a couple of extra bucks out of a sap with no change in sevice). Ads with "ask for other sevices and prices". Too many mixed messages. ASPs being sneaky under the guise of being "discreet" (hint: advertising with the other ASPs and taking reviews, not discreet: like Lance Armstrong, only legal/honest one out there? Not fooling anyone, especially PD) Like some providers, put in the ad "no FS", state if topless, nude, or other. Mutual touch or not, and so forth. Cops aren't dumb and a providers being "clever" isn't. I do NOT lie about anything, in fact I hate a liar above anything else! I TRULY DO NOT EVER PROVIDE FULL SERVICE, cops or not THAT is NEVER an option when you come to see me. It might be because of how I was raised...however I do not judge anyone for choosing what is right for them. I do however provide a legit & properly advertised service...I think if I didn't I would have already been called out on it:p Body rubs may not be for everyone but they are truly what I am good at & what I do. (note to mods....I tried my best to word things right hope I didn't say anything against the law:rolleyes:) 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 15, 2013 (edited) There is simply NO EXCUSE for that! If a guy has reviewed a certain profile and has done his research, there wouldn't be a need for "questions"..however- on some profiles, ladies invite questions so therefore should expect them. Pretty much-DO YOUR RESEARCH and take the time to read a profile BEFORE contacting...anything less should be disregarded(on both sides)..IMO Edited February 15, 2013 by Kira Swan Typo 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 15, 2013 There is simply NO EXCUSE for that! If a guy has reviewed a certain profile and has done his research, there wouldn't be a need for "questions"..however- on some profiles, ladies invite questions so therefore should expect them. Pretty much-DO YOUR RESEARCH and take the time to read a profile BEFORE contacting...anything less should be disregarded(on both sides)..IMO Agreed, the information that you are looking for is out there in ads, reviews, tob profile, p411 profile and approved activities. The only question to ask is "when can I see you." 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 16, 2013 Short answer. An "ok" doesn't give me anything but the opportunity to see someone. Meeting them and building a "relationship" gives us the opportunity to talk about specifics. Vic 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 17, 2013 First time contact Phone call: Hello may I speak with so and so? Yes well hello my name is some rock star I seen your ad’s and reviews and I would like to inquire about your schedule? Now? Great! Where? I will call when I get to the parking lot... that is about all i need to or ever say.... Yes!!! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 17, 2013 no offence scorpio, but I have always also wondered if more than the avg handjob was on the table. But alas is me 2 ask ...................... 4 that would make it wrong or right? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 17, 2013 no offence scorpio, but I have always also wondered if more than the avg handjob was on the table. But alas is me 2 ask ...................... 4 that would make it wrong or right? In my opinion, the answer to this question is "yes", WITH ANY WOMAN YOU SPEND TIME WITH, not just the lovely miss Scorpio. Play your cards right and even a shy librarian will jump your bones. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 17, 2013 ...the right to speek freely?? Guys when you call a lady for the first time & provide a reference (& that reference clears you)do you feel it is ok (at that point) to ask detailed questions? ... WRONG! In this country we have the right to speak freely. Just as you have the right to speak freely when responding. It's part of our Constitution. Now there are some questions it is not considered polite to ask, even though the answers may be important, because they may lead to LE entrapment. In this market place where FBSM & FS rates overlap it can be difficult to determine what a fella is likely to get for his hard earned $s. I know, "Read the reviews." But that doesn't always provide the answer either because there is insufficient detail (my problem with SoWet reviews), the YL works in both circles (FS|FBSM), or she has reviews for both services (BodyRub|Escort). And what constitutes a Happy Ending, anyway? Is it oral? Manual? Or even self-service? These are some of the reasons I'm not a fan of FBSM providers. I'll get my massage (~$60/hr) from a CMT and my HE from an FS ASP. I've never been truly satisfied when trying to combine the two. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 17, 2013 (edited) WRONG! In this country we have the right to speak freely. Just as you have the right to speak freely when responding. It's part of our Constitution. You have the right to say anything you wish. Agreed. But you must also accept the consequences from having said it. Now there are some questions it is not considered polite to ask, even though the answers may be important, because they may lead to LE entrapment. In this market place where FBSM & FS rates overlap it can be difficult to determine what a fella is likely to get for his hard earned $s. I know, "Read the reviews." But that doesn't always provide the answer either because there is insufficient detail (my problem with SoWet reviews), the YL works in both circles (FS|FBSM), or she has reviews for both services (BodyRub|Escort). And what constitutes a Happy Ending, anyway? Is it oral? Manual? Or even self-service? These are some of the reasons I'm not a fan of FBSM providers. I'll get my massage (~$60/hr) from a CMT and my HE from an FS ASP. I've never been truly satisfied when trying to combine the two. This is the true nature of YMMV, and it seems magnified in a FBSM vs ASP environment. But that's life. You have to expect that some guys are going to "click" with a lady (usually the Brad Pitt lookalikes....dangit) better than you will....and may get better or elevated service as a result. Its confusing.....and sometimes seems unfair.....but it's the way it is. If you spend your hobby hours worrying that someone is having a better time than you, you'll probably be right. To this day, I am still amazed and extremely grateful that there are wonderful women out there that will spend time with someone like me in exchange for something as trivial as money. I'm not going to screw that up by pushing for something she's uncomfortable with in a pre-meeting conversation. If I'm not satisfied, I won't return. Edited February 17, 2013 by hgritstoo Unfinished thought 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 17, 2013 Ditto!! Start asking too many questions.. I no longer respond back.. ...the right to speek freely?? Guys when you call a lady for the first time & provide a reference (& that reference clears you)do you feel it is ok (at that point) to ask detailed questions? Ladies once you get an OK from a provider, that a potential client is safe to see, do you feel comfortable with that client asking detailed questions? For me it is clear & simple..Whether we've met, or we're strangers do not EVER ask me for illegal services! Somtimes not saying ANYTHING says A LOT! To many questions is my BIGGEST petpeve! I don't see why so many guys can't see the logic in that! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 17, 2013 This is the true nature of YMMV, and it seems magnified in a FBSM vs ASP environment. ... If you spend your hobby hours worrying that someone is having a better time than you, you'll probably be right. I'm not talking about YMMV situations, which I agree seem magnified in the FBSM environment. I don't care if John or Bob got better service than I do. I worry about what level of service I'll receive; I'm interested in my experience, not theirs. To this day, I am still amazed that there are women out there that will spend time with someone like me in exchange for something as trivial as money. If you think money is trivial, it must be difficult to see past the silver spoon. I'd guess you've never worried about where your next meal was coming from, if you were going to lose the roof over your family's head, or had to perform stoop labor. I'm not going to screw that up by pushing for something she's uncomfortable with in a pre-meeting conversation. If I'm not satisfied, I won't return. Who said anything about "pushing for something"? My remarks were about requesting a clear definition of what's available. If it's a service she doesn't offer, I'm fine with that. But like your remarks on free speech, there can be consequences - I may elect to spend my $s elsewhere. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites