A friendly New Year's PSA from your friendly ASP

[Lovely_Leigh]

Once again the time is here when we evaluate the past year and make goals for the future. A conversation I recently had with a young lady has remained in the front of my mind. I think today would be a good day to share our discussion. I am by no means trying to sound like a bitch (why she wouldn't post it) but maybe it will genuinely help someone. Here goes:

If working girls won't see you there is something seriously wrong with you and it's time you reevaluated your life so you can remedy the situation.

Sounds mean? I hope not. To clarify:

If you're morbidly obese and ladies won't see you, it's time for some professional guidance and weight loss. You'll feel like a new person. You can do it!

If you have bad hygiene or are smelly and a shower doesn't help, you may have a medical condition. Time to see a doctor. If you have bad hygiene, just SHOWER! That's a no brainier and is as easy as soap and water to remedy.

If you're such an asshole ladies won't put up with you for money, it's time you saw a therapist to work those issues out.

If ladies won't see you because you take 90 minutes when you only paid for 60 either get a second job or work on 1)spending more money or 2) leaving on time. Both are agreeable solutions to this provider.

I'm sure there are other reasons us ladies have quit seeing clients but these are thr main reasons I've stopped seeing people. Minus the cheap-take-advantage cat and the asshole client, sometimes it's a kind guy who we decided for whatever reason we can no longer see. It's just something to mull over. Hope that didn't come off too bitchie but really we're a good barameter of what is tolerated by society and what isn't. Other people have smelled you or have muttered "asshole" under their breath as you left and who wants that? Not this gal. New Years resolutions are great and if you needed one and have had several ladies say "you're no longer compatible" or they ignore you or they flat out call you a dick now is a great time for a change. Happy New Year!

[Guest]

Ouch!

Once again the time is here when we evaluate the past year and make goals for the future. A conversation I recently had with a young lady has remained in the front of my mind. I think today would be a good day to share our discussion. I am by no means trying to sound like a bitch (why she wouldn't post it) but maybe it will genuinely help someone. Here goes:

If working girls won't see you there is something seriously wrong with you and it's time you reevaluated your life so you can remedy the situation.

Sounds mean? I hope not. To clarify:

If you're morbidly obese and ladies won't see you, it's time for some professional guidance and weight loss. You'll feel like a new person. You can do it!

If you have bad hygiene or are smelly and a shower doesn't help, you may have a medical condition. Time to see a doctor. If you have bad hygiene, just SHOWER! That's a no brainier and is as easy as soap and water to remedy.

If you're such an asshole ladies won't put up with you for money, it's time you saw a therapist to work those issues out.

If ladies won't see you because you take 90 minutes when you only paid for 60 either get a second job or work on 1)spending more money or 2) leaving on time. Both are agreeable solutions to this provider.

I'm sure there are other reasons us ladies have quit seeing clients but these are thr main reasons I've stopped seeing people. Minus the cheap-take-advantage cat and the asshole client, sometimes it's a kind guy who we decided for whatever reason we can no longer see. It's just something to mull over. Hope that didn't come off too bitchie but really we're a good barameter of what is tolerated by society and what isn't. Other people have smelled you or have muttered "asshole" under their breath as you left and who wants that? Not this gal. New Years resolutions are great and if you needed one and have had several ladies say "you're no longer compatible" or they ignore you or they flat out call you a dick now is a great time for a change. Happy New Year!

[Lovely_Leigh]

Ouch!

Really?

[Guest]

Really?

I agree with what you are saying. I mean ouch about the message that is being delivered. You know the old saying: the truth hurts...

[Guest FLSTC]

So what you're saying is smelly, fat assholes that can't tell time are SOL ?

[2Big]

you're morbidly obese

you have bad hygiene

smelly and a shower doesn't help

you're such an asshole

you take 90 minutes when you only paid for 60

Seems to me you need to up your game and attract a higher class of clients.

[inkspot]

To the OP, instead of announcing in a generic fashion to all who you are probably not directing your wrath, why not give a gentle suggestion to those that are your object of distain. I am sure they would appreciate it more than we do.

[2Big]

If working girls won't see you, it's time to remedy the situation.

The remedy: call the next girl on your list!

There, I fixed it for ya.

[ddog]

Once again the time is here when we evaluate the past year and make goals for the future. A conversation I recently had with a young lady has remained in the front of my mind. I think today would be a good day to share our discussion. I am by no means trying to sound like a bitch (why she wouldn't post it) but maybe it will genuinely help someone. Here goes:

If working girls won't see you there is something seriously wrong with you and it's time you reevaluated your life so you can remedy the situation.

Sounds mean? I hope not. To clarify:

If you're morbidly obese and ladies won't see you, it's time for some professional guidance and weight loss. You'll feel like a new person. You can do it!

If you have bad hygiene or are smelly and a shower doesn't help, you may have a medical condition. Time to see a doctor. If you have bad hygiene, just SHOWER! That's a no brainier and is as easy as soap and water to remedy.

If you're such an asshole ladies won't put up with you for money, it's time you saw a therapist to work those issues out.

If ladies won't see you because you take 90 minutes when you only paid for 60 either get a second job or work on 1)spending more money or 2) leaving on time. Both are agreeable solutions to this provider.

I'm sure there are other reasons us ladies have quit seeing clients but these are thr main reasons I've stopped seeing people. Minus the cheap-take-advantage cat and the asshole client, sometimes it's a kind guy who we decided for whatever reason we can no longer see. It's just something to mull over. Hope that didn't come off too bitchie but really we're a good barameter of what is tolerated by society and what isn't. Other people have smelled you or have muttered "asshole" under their breath as you left and who wants that? Not this gal. New Years resolutions are great and if you needed one and have had several ladies say "you're no longer compatible" or they ignore you or they flat out call you a dick now is a great time for a change. Happy New Year!

The remedy: call the next girl on your list!

There, I fixed it for ya.

2Big is right. I know of no other business where the company (providers) complain and bitch about their customers (johns) to their faces (or on escort sites).

If you do not want to see certain types of clients put it in your ads or websites. That is a simple way to handle things. Screen your clients better.

[pfunk]

2Big is right. I know of no other business where the company (providers) complain and bitch about their customers (johns) to their faces

Really? I'm in the trades (Plumbers, Electricians, HVAC, Remodeling, etc) and I could point you to half a dozen trade sites, and DIY sites, where tradesmen complain openly about customers. Very similar - cheapskates, freebie seekers, and hoarders are the most disliked.

[Lovely_Leigh]

Seems to me you need to up your game and attract a higher class of clients.

The list was compiled from what several providers have said over the years. My "game" is fine. Out of all the scenarios I listed, I usually get the "time taker" client. Easy enough for me to deal with but some ladies won't see that caliber of client.

[Lovely_Leigh]

To the OP, instead of announcing in a generic fashion to all who you are probably not directing your wrath, why not give a gentle suggestion to those that are your object of distain. I am sure they would appreciate it more than we do.

You heard "disdain" and felt wrath in that post. Wow. You may need to reread it.

[Wendy Whitney]

I know of no other business where the company (providers) complain and bitch about their customers (johns) to their faces (or on escort sites).

Goes both ways and happens in other industry's as well:

I know of no other business where the customers (clients) complain and bitch about their company (providers) to their faces (or on escort sites and in reviews).

[Guest hgritstoo]

Goes both ways and happens in other industry's as well:

I know of no other business where the customers (clients) complain and bitch about their company (providers) to their faces (or on escort sites and in reviews).

Sure you do! Two Words: Angie's List.

The problem, as I see it, is that the OP assumes too much. That the guy or guys this post is directed at will know that it was directed at them. For a provider, this shows a deep lack of understanding of the workings of the male mind.

Allow me to demonstrate:

If you're morbidly obese and ladies won't see you, it's time for some professional guidance and weight loss. <Glances at self in the mirror while reading this......lookin' goooood, dude!> Can't be this.

If you have bad hygiene or are smelly and a shower doesn't help, you may have a medical condition. Time to see a doctor. If you have bad hygiene, just SHOWER! Raises left arm....<SNIFF!> Raises right arm.....<SNIFF!> Wow! Fresh as a daisy! Can't be this.

If you're such an asshole ladies won't put up with you for money, it's time you saw a therapist to work those issues out. All the ladies love me! Except for the psycho hose bitches! Can't be this.

If ladies won't see you because you take 90 minutes when you only paid for 60 either get a second job or work on 1)spending more money or 2) leaving on time. Hey....I have a new watch! Can't be this.

I'm sure there are other reasons us ladies have quit seeing clients but these are thr main reasons I've stopped seeing people. Minus the cheap-take-advantage cat and the asshole client, sometimes it's a kind guy who we decided for whatever reason we can no longer see.

This must be the reason. I'm too nice and she's afraid she'll start digging me!

Ladies......Men are not mind readers. We're not even good hint takers.

If you don't like fat guys, or old guys, say so in your ads. If I show up anyway.....TELL ME. As nicely as you can. Then send me away.

Does my breath or body smell like an open sewer? TELL ME. If I can correct this within my allotted time, please allow me to do so, or send me away.

Am I impolite? Rude? Freaking you out? TELL ME! I'm probably more scared and nervous than you are. If I can correct my behavior, I will. If I can't....show me the door.

Am I running over my time? TELL ME! I'm in the middle of getting laid by a YL several leagues above my own. I'M not gonna watch the clock.

When I go fishin'......if I'm not catching the kind of fish I want I change my tactics or location. If you're getting the kind of clients that don't care about this shit, you should do the same.

But I think you'd be surprised at the number of clients who DO care, and are dreadfully concerned they've screwed something up. Without direct communication, we're gonna assume the problem is the least painful for us to face.

This isn't supposed to be a war. Tell your clients what it is about them that is causing problems. If they leave, you're out nothing. But if they FIX it, and their level of service improves as a result, you have a grateful client who will remember and return.

[Guest]

If you're morbidly obese and ladies won't see you, it's time for some professional guidance and weight loss. <Glances at self in the mirror while reading this......lookin' goooood, dude!> Can't be this.

If you have bad hygiene or are smelly and a shower doesn't help, you may have a medical condition. Time to see a doctor. If you have bad hygiene, just SHOWER! Raises left arm....<SNIFF!> Raises right arm.....<SNIFF!> Wow! Fresh as a daisy! Can't be this.

If you're such an asshole ladies won't put up with you for money, it's time you saw a therapist to work those issues out. All the ladies love me! Except for the psycho hose bitches! Can't be this.

If ladies won't see you because you take 90 minutes when you only paid for 60 either get a second job or work on 1)spending more money or 2) leaving on time. Hey....I have a new watch! Can't be this.

I'm sure there are other reasons us ladies have quit seeing clients but these are thr main reasons I've stopped seeing people. Minus the cheap-take-advantage cat and the asshole client, sometimes it's a kind guy who we decided for whatever reason we can no longer see.

This must be the reason. I'm too nice and she's afraid she'll start digging me!

My boyfriend said the same thing.

[Guest hgritstoo]

My boyfriend said the same thing.

LOL

Apparently, he was right. He WAS too nice and you DID start digging him!

[NaughtyNiceGuy]

If this is your idea of a "friendly" PSA, I'd hate to see your rant. You don't have to see anyone you don't want to but don't expect the john to walk away happy. Put your list of objectionable characteristic s in your ad or website.

[Lovely_Leigh]

From talking with other ladies over the years these are the main reasons I've come across as to why the provider/client relationship is ended. I am able to screen for most of the stated examples. If someone is offended, it wasn't mean that way. I was hoping to inspire a "eureka!" moment but I see I've failed.

[boink36]

From talking with other ladies over the years these are the main reasons I've come across as to why the provider/client relationship is ended. I am able to screen for most of the stated examples. If someone is offended, it wasn't mean that way. I was hoping to inspire a "eureka!" moment but I see I've failed.

We are just dirty stinking men that cant tell time, wash our clothes, wash our bodies, or treat women with respect. what did you expect?

[dangle]

From talking with other ladies over the years these are the main reasons I've come across as to why the provider/client relationship is ended. I am able to screen for most of the stated examples. If someone is offended, it wasn't mean that way. I was hoping to inspire a "eureka!" moment but I see I've failed.

wait a sec - doncha know that no good deed goes unpunished

[mj76]

I was hoping to inspire a "eureka!" moment but I see I've failed.

I think all of these posts fall mostly on deaf ears. It seems stinky people like to stay stinky and assholes just never change for whatever reason. It's so fucking hard to loose weight. I want to loose 10 pounds and can't seem to find a way to do it. It's so easy to put on the pounds and very difficult to take them off.

[pfunk]

I think all of these posts fall mostly on deaf ears. It seems stinky people like to stay stinky and assholes just never change for whatever reason.

I reluctantly must agree. We rarely see ourselves as others see us.

[2Big]

I was hoping to inspire a "eureka!" moment but I see I've failed.

There is no eureka moment, because this topic has been beaten to death many times over.

Let me say this again: if all you have are 400 pound men climbing on top of you, then it's time to reevaluate how you do business.

[Lovely_Leigh]

I would like to clarify my original post. Ladies talk. We have friends who also have an intimate knowledge of the hobby and when we have the "talk about our day" conversation it's beyond graphic and x-rated yet honest. When the scenarios I've mentioned we're brought up they were always affirmed with "oh 'so and so'...and I don't see him anymore." would follow. Just because I listed those examples don't think that's all that we see out there. Personally, I'm awash in engineers and I love it! I've made so many engineer friends...Mmmm. I even have an unusual talent: I'm pretty good, with a little general info, at guessing what engineering field they are in. I didn't think of those engineering friends or any of my other friend's feelings when I posted that. I was not speaking to any of you. Those scenarios have happened in less than double digits personally (yet echoed unanimously when discussed which was the purpose of the post but I digress)

and I have discussed my feelings with them personally which is why I felt comfortable posting that. There was one client I feel I made a fool of myself with and I ignore for the simple reason of embarrassment. (you know who you are. This is my mea culpa). If any of my friends were offended I sincerely apologize. It was not meant towards you.

I tried to be sincere but I stand by my statement. I was hoping someone would reflect and make a change. It is a positive message yet I missed the broad side of the barn with it.

[Lovely_Leigh]

The remedy: call the next girl on your list!

There, I fixed it for ya.

God forbid making a change in your life that not only makes you happier but the world a better nicer place.

You are our "resident dick wolf" but someone who takes joy in anonymously being mean on an Internet message board dealing with "hookers and johns" has issues and should be added to the "you may need therapy" portion of my list.

[Lovely_Leigh]

... For starters the OP of this thread was offensive was it not?...

You, an ASP, were offended by that? I'm guessing you could get offended by a box of kittens...

Edited January 2, 2013 by Mace
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[Lucy Kitten]

You, an ASP, were offended by that? I'm guessing you could get offended by a box of kittens...

So you question my being offended by insulting me? Your post was lacking in tact and when it was mentioned to you that it was tactless you say you were speaking on behalf of the "sisterhood" because you think that we all think this way. We don't all think the same and we don't need someone else expressing offensive opinions on our behalf.

If I ever have a problem with a gentleman during a session that might be cause for me to not see him again, I address it with them at the time in a sensitive manner so the next girl might not have to deal with what I dealt with.

It's not like this is the first time an provider has tried to do this and it wont be the last but we have seen is that these generic rants don't work. The reach of TOB does not extend far enough, those that participate here are in a minority and only a drop in the bucket compared to those actively involved in this business.

[Lovely_Leigh]

So you question my being offended by insulting me? Your post was lacking in tact and when it was mentioned to you that it was tactless you say you were speaking on behalf of the "sisterhood" because you think that we all think this way. We don't all think the same and we don't need someone else expressing offensive opinions on our behalf.

If I ever have a problem with a gentleman during a session that might be cause for me to not see him again, I address it with them at the time in a sensitive manner so the next girl might not have to deal with what I dealt with.

It's not like this is the first time an provider has tried to do this and it wont be the last but we have seen is that these generic rants don't work. The reach of TOB does not extend far enough, those that participate here are in a minority and only a drop in the bucket compared to those actively involved in this business.

You are offended by anonymous lists that "rank or grade" providers based on physical attributes...someone who takes offense to something that trivial IMO would be offended by a box of kittens. Even you feeling like that was an insult reaffirms my statement.

As for the post being unproductive , I've received several PM's from community members asking if they should contact a provider who ended things abruptly and ask her if they "should make a change" or have told me a story of how a provider gave them "constructive criticism" and they ran with it and are happier. THAT was my point and although publically people, such as yourself, have cried foul, I did accomplish my goal. You are wrong in assuming my "generic rant didn't work". You know what they say about assumptions...

[Mace]

Geezus H...

To the OP.. this thread was doomed from the beginning. Pretty much the reaction(s) I had expected, but we gave it latitude for discussion-sake.

To all the cranky bickerers and bitcherers.. move on.