Posted November 30, 2012 Quoting Songdog. .......... Call me crazy, but there it is. What the providers give me has value to me and the contribution keeps it clean and honest. It That says it right there. We are paid to leave, bottom line. And yes, it keeps it those tender feelings right where they should be to maintain a healthy perpesctive. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 30, 2012 Love is easy when its only the really really good stuff. Sixty minutes of weekly connection and passion love is easy. Try to remember shes not bitching at you seven days a week, shes not making your life a living hell seven days a week. And you aren't messing with her head seven days a week. +1. Playing games sucks! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 30, 2012 You might be confusing love and lust. I've commented previously that the best blowjob I've ever had was from a now-retired provider. It was truly one of those moments when you thought to yourself . . . If I die now, I will die a happy man . . . or If I propose marriage, what are my chances? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 30, 2012 If I propose marriage, what are my chances? I took a minute to run this post through the hobby forum post translator. here is what I got back................... "If I play russian roulette with one empty chamber what are my chances?" 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 30, 2012 More like Russian roulette with a 1911 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 30, 2012 If the feeling is mutual, she will let you know. The NUMBER 1 fear factor is if you ask her to leave the biz will you take care of her 110%... if you let her know of a 7-11 job.. she will most likely not -fall in love with you-.Prevent her fear.. and she is all yours. Since the beginning of time, women need one thing... maybe two.. a vibrator.. and security. Falling for a client? I think every provider should try it at least once. its a beautiful train wreck. Its been 4 years since mine but no regrets. I have NEVER loved deeper, known monogamy, know what is is like for every breath to be based on one humans existence.. no drug so awesome.. no hurt so crippling. Passionate sex wanting to melt into their body.. THAT was intense love. I can die knowing I had it, held it.. and was possessed by it. Ive heard.. its only broken by one or the other Returning.. so if guidelines are clear and an audition/ pre-nup/ dating agreement is clear.. just do it. As an old goat... fuck 5 star restaurants, hotels and 4k purses.. LOVE is the greatest -High-. I have Seen Money.. I have Lost Money... but "Love Conquers All" xo- Angela Aspen 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 30, 2012 As an old goat... fuck 5 star restaurants, hotels and 4k purses.. LOVE is the greatest -High-. I have Seen Money.. I have Lost Money... but "Love Conquers All" xo- Angela Aspen You are anything but an old goat,but Angela..I like your lyrical rewrite of Jimmy Buffett's song " A Pirate Looks At 40." Well done. That said, in the business several ladies have confused someone simply being nice and enjoying the hour with " falling for them." 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 30, 2012 Years back, I fell for one, dated her, supported her, babysat her, helped her with just about everything in her life... What a frikking idiot I was. I now aim to protect my heart and soul and just enjoy my ATF.... God, She is great in the sack, but since I am old enough to be her dad, I keep telling myself that what we got now is juuuuuuuust about right. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 30, 2012 All relationships are difficult but to put up with the daily grind AND have to let her have sex with anyone who has the money...that's tough! Unless you like sharing. I don't. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 30, 2012 "If I play russian roulette with one empty chamber what are my chances?" This is an unnecessary slam on hobbyists and providers. We all leave the hobby eventually, and both hobbyists and providers can and do move on to worthwhile non-hobby relationships. Sometimes even with each other. You could do worse than to link up with someone who provides world-class blowjobs. A lot of us here have living proof of that at home. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 30, 2012 ... We all leave the hobby eventually, and both hobbyists and providers can and do move on to worthwhile non-hobby relationships. Sometimes even with each other. .. True, but the odds of getting hurt are worse than one empty chamber. That applies to both guys & gals. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 30, 2012 All relationships are difficult but to put up with the daily grind AND have to let her have sex with anyone who has the money...that's tough! Unless you like sharing. I don't. True, Hoiwever the key to any good real love is honesty and communication from day one. There is no guarantee in life that a vanilla girl you might meet in the real world won't be a bigger whore than an escort you could love. I know girls who have never escorted who have no sense of morals what-so-ever when it comes to consideration of a partner. We are real people too...and I still believe in real love and romance and still work every day on having that with someone in my future. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 30, 2012 This is new to me but there is a provider I see that I have incredible chemistry with. Sometimes, well most of the time when I see a girl I pretend I'm in love with her just to enhance the experience. But this actually took hold. I even had a dream about her which never happens. I was wondering if anyone let themselves fall a little. Long enough ago that the preferred term was "call girl" didn't just fall a little - married her. That worked for a few years as well as that institution ever works before it went to hell in a hand basket, having nothing to do with her "work" cause she had quit. Far as i know she never went back. Much more recently - wont bore the crowd linking to post - yep, fell hard again and got taken for nearly everything i had by a money sucking vampire. Hell of a provider but even better con artist. Seem to have survived that too. Generalities are always dangerous (wait that's a generality!) but it has gotten to the point where if a meet a lady in the real world and hit it off right away I just know before being told that she is a "provider" - damn I hate that term. Has happened more than once. Not sure what it is, but I seem drawn like a fly. Think it has to do with a no nonsense down to earth quality and missing any princess syndrome. But as a general rule, I remain convinced it is best NOT to get emotionally involved with an escort cause it just complicates an otherwise beautiful thing. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 30, 2012 Qualifier for the ladies: I know all providers are different, and I've met some nice people. That said, I was digging through my record collection the other day and came across this little gem: Guys, the boys in Led Zeppelin had this topic figured out decades ago. "Hey Hey What Can I Do" Wanna tell you about the girl I loves My she looks so fine She's the only one that I been dreamin' of Maybe someday she will be all mine I wanna tell her that I love her so I thrill with her every touch I need to tell her she's the only one I really love I got a woman, wanna ball all day I got a woman, she won't be true, no I got a woman, stay drunk all the time I said I got a little woman and she won't be true Sunday morning when we go down to church See the menfolk standin' in lines I said they come to pray to the Lord With my little girl, looks so fine In the evening when the sun is sinkin' low Everybody's with the one they love I walk the town, Keep a-searchin' all around Lookin' for my street corner girl I got a woman, wanna ball all day I got a woman, she won't be true, no no I got a woman, stay drunk all the time I said I got a little woman and she won't be true In the bars, with the men who play guitars Singin', drinkin' and rememberin' the times My little lover does a midnight shift She followed around all the time I guess there's just one thing a-left for me to do Gonna pack my bags and move on my way Cause I got a worried mindspam Sharin' what I thought was mine Gonna leave her where the guitars play I got a woman, she won't be true, no no I got a woman, wanna ball all day I got a woman, stay drunk all the time I got a little woman and she won't be true (Hey hey what can I do) I said she won't be true (Hey Hey, What can I say?) Hey hey, what can I do I got a woman, she won't be true Lord, hear what I say I got a woman, wanna ball all day 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 30, 2012 This is new to me Yours is the gazillionth thread on this topic. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 30, 2012 This is an unnecessary slam on hobbyists and providers. We all leave the hobby eventually, and both hobbyists and providers can and do move on to worthwhile non-hobby relationships. Sometimes even with each other. You could do worse than to link up with someone who provides world-class blowjobs. A lot of us here have living proof of that at home. If I propose marriage, what are my chances? I was talking about proposing marriage to any woman not just providers. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 1, 2012 True, However the key to any good real love is honesty and communication from day one. There is no guarantee in life that a vanilla girl you might meet in the real world won't be a bigger whore than an escort you could love. I know girls who have never escorted who have no sense of morals what-so-ever when it comes to consideration of a partner. We are real people too...and I still believe in real love and romance and still work every day on having that with someone in my future. I agree with the honesty part. I have and still do love a couple providers. As for the vanilla whore, I wouldn't want to date her either. I don't have a problem with dating a provider it's just once I start getting real feelings for her I start getting jealous and want her to quit her job so I can have her to myself. I realize that is unfair unless I want to support her but that's just how I feel. Now if you do date a provider and she lies to you and you catch her with her ex isn't that reason enough to leave her. The honesty and communication needs to go both ways. If you can't trust her then how can you stay with her? And don't tell me it's just "work!" I might love my work but rarely do I have orgasms at work! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 1, 2012 You're real people??? Sometimes love just hits ya...and sometimes it sneeks up on ya, but if you're thinking with your big head...it can be hard to let yourself cross over into love if you see so many challenges awaiting the relationship. Unfortunately...thinking with your heart can be just as dangerous as thinking with your cock:( And that holds true whether it's a vanilla girl or an escort. We all land somewhere in that grey area of what we deem acceptable for behavior in a relationship. Personally...I'm not one to share either. It's not inadequecy on my part...it's just what I want for myself. Could I find myself in a relationship with a girl who was a provider...absolutely....who is a provider...maybe...who wants to stay a provider...sorry...no. True, Hoiwever the key to any good real love is honesty and communication from day one. There is no guarantee in life that a vanilla girl you might meet in the real world won't be a bigger whore than an escort you could love. I know girls who have never escorted who have no sense of morals what-so-ever when it comes to consideration of a partner. We are real people too...and I still believe in real love and romance and still work every day on having that with someone in my future. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 1, 2012 Could I find myself in a relationship with a girl who was a provider...absolutely....who is a provider...maybe...who wants to stay a provider...sorry...no. Well said! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 1, 2012 Qualifier for the ladies: I know all providers are different, and I've met some nice people. That said, I was digging through my record collection the other day and came across this little gem: Guys, the boys in Led Zeppelin had this topic figured out decades ago. "Hey Hey What Can I Do" Wanna tell you about the girl I loves My she looks so fine She's the only one that I been dreamin' of Maybe someday she will be all mine I wanna tell her that I love her so I thrill with her every touch I need to tell her she's the only one I really love I got a woman, wanna ball all day I got a woman, she won't be true, no I got a woman, stay drunk all the time I said I got a little woman and she won't be true Sunday morning when we go down to church See the menfolk standin' in lines I said they come to pray to the Lord With my little girl, looks so fine In the evening when the sun is sinkin' low Everybody's with the one they love I walk the town, Keep a-searchin' all around Lookin' for my street corner girl I got a woman, wanna ball all day I got a woman, she won't be true, no no I got a woman, stay drunk all the time I said I got a little woman and she won't be true In the bars, with the men who play guitars Singin', drinkin' and rememberin' the times My little lover does a midnight shift She followed around all the time I guess there's just one thing a-left for me to do Gonna pack my bags and move on my way Cause I got a worried mindspam Sharin' what I thought was mine Gonna leave her where the guitars play I got a woman, she won't be true, no no I got a woman, wanna ball all day I got a woman, stay drunk all the time I got a little woman and she won't be true (Hey hey what can I do) I said she won't be true (Hey Hey, What can I say?) Hey hey, what can I do I got a woman, she won't be true Lord, hear what I say I got a woman, wanna ball all day http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igvWpqX_FqQ 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 1, 2012 this kind of begs the question of what 'relationship' looks like for two people. sexual exclusivity isn't obviously in the cards if you're dating a provider who's active. but aren't there other things that also truly define what a relationship is? i found it interesting that you'd be jealous over an asp's ex-s.o. couldn't he just fork out the price of admission and still hose her like any client, if she were amenable? in this scenario, jealousy is more likely to rear its ugly head by an emotional betrayal than a physical one. also the part about 'taking care of her' was interesting. financial realities are just that, but consider the possibility that some providers really like their jobs, are strong and independent women, are relatively financially independent (and may make more than you) and they kind of like that. by eliminating sex as the ultimate qualifier, you've redefined what that relationship is. so why not just appreciate and enjoy the things you you like about each other and call it good. it's rare enough to find that feeling in this world. besides, who knows what will happen down the road, for good or ill. i think Velvet is right: "I still believe in real love and romance and still work every day on having that with someone in my future." so, just feel good about the fact that you and a provider share some very high-quality time for whatever reasons, wherever whenever and for however long. you'll both know the reasons why. i don't care what people say - love and sex will always be inextricably intertwined. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 1, 2012 some providers really like their jobs, are strong and independent women, are relatively financially independent (and may make more than you) and they kind of like that. This reality is too much to take, for many men. It's OK for them to pay for sex, but a girl who rents her pussy is "unworthy" of them. Human beings are human beings. It doesn't matter whether she's a lawyer, works in a slaughterhouse, or is an escort. You either love her, or you don't. Her professsion should not be your concern, her well being should. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 1, 2012 i found it interesting that you'd be jealous over an asp's ex-s.o. couldn't he just fork out the price of admission and still hose her like any client, if she were amenable? also the part about 'taking care of her' was interesting. financial realities are just that, but consider the possibility that some providers really like their jobs, are strong and independent women, are relatively financially independent (and may make more than you) and they kind of like that. If you're dating someone and their ex is at their home, not paying, and you show up and everything gets really weird, I think there is cause. To my original my point, it's not about the work or the money it's about does she really love you and will she do "anything" for you? If "anything" is, be exclusive/monogamous, to her man why is that too much to ask if you are in love? If you only want money why try to pretend you love someone? Money is just some bullshit commodity that is won/earned and lost everyday. Love is something much more special! Being the most interesting man in the world, you should know that. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 1, 2012 This reality is too much to take, for many men. It's OK for them to pay for sex, but a girl who rents her pussy is "unworthy" of them. This has nothing to do with being "unworthy", just person preferences on relationships. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 1, 2012 If you're dating someone and their ex is at their home, not paying, and you show up and everything gets really weird, I think there is cause. To my original my point, it's not about the work or the money it's about does she really love you and will she do "anything" for you? If "anything" is, be exclusive/monogamous, to her man why is that too much to ask if you are in love? If you only want money why try to pretend you love someone? Money is just some bullshit commodity that is won/earned and lost everyday. Love is something much more special! Being the most interesting man in the world, you should know that. i agree. you have a right to your preference of what your relationship is but so does the woman. how do you know he didn't pay? this means you'd be okay with him being there as long as he leaves an envelope? now that IS weird. one unique thing about this topic is that you're asking her to basically give up her 'profession' to be with you. sexual monogamy aside, would you be as willing to give up your profession to be with her if she asked you to because you also honestly and truly would do 'anything' for her? think about it. i also agree that money isn't the point. love is the opposite of money. and i never claimed to be the most interesting man in the world - that's just my goof on being the most interesting man in t.o.b. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 1, 2012 ... would you be as willing to give up your profession to be with her if she asked you to because you also honestly and truly would do 'anything' for her? think about it. ... While I agree with this question, you'd be amazed at how often it occurs. - Two folks at the same company get married, often one of them has to leave. Maybe they can get a job in a different company in the same area, sometimes that's not an option. - Marry someone who is career military. You're odds of holding a steady, career oriented job just took a hit as you travel from post to post every few years. - One of the couple works for a multi-national corporation. This situation is similar to the career military described above. Note that I have not made reference to the sex of the individual making the choice in the above examples. I recall a couple, both career track VPs at a local bank. When they got married, he left the bank for a sales job because she had better career path w/in the bank. I know a military family where he follows her around the world, taking what jobs he can get and raising the kids while she works for Uncle Sam. The catch here (TOB) is that the question is about sex and monogamy, not career path choices. So the question is really, "What are you willing to give up for 'love'?" 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 1, 2012 You didn't ask for advice so I won't give you any. But you asked if anyone lets themself "fall a little bit". Back when the wife was ill, but before she passed I saw a provider and had an instant connection. As soon as I left the room I made a vow never to see her again. I was in an emotionally weak position and knew that I was not thinking clearly. She has since retired and moved away but I know in my heart that the "instant connection" I felt was not really love. She had just touched a spot in my heart that needed touching. The best providers do that. They are wonderful actors and make you feel a connection. After all, that's their business. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 1, 2012 this kind of begs the question of what 'relationship' looks like for two people. sexual exclusivity isn't obviously in the cards if you're dating a provider who's active. but aren't there other things that also truly define what a relationship is? i found it interesting that you'd be jealous over an asp's ex-s.o. couldn't he just fork out the price of admission and still hose her like any client, if she were amenable? in this scenario, jealousy is more likely to rear its ugly head by an emotional betrayal than a physical one. also the part about 'taking care of her' was interesting. financial realities are just that, but consider the possibility that some providers really like their jobs, are strong and independent women, are relatively financially independent (and may make more than you) and they kind of like that. by eliminating sex as the ultimate qualifier, you've redefined what that relationship is. so why not just appreciate and enjoy the things you you like about each other and call it good. it's rare enough to find that feeling in this world. besides, who knows what will happen down the road, for good or ill. i think Velvet is right: "I still believe in real love and romance and still work every day on having that with someone in my future." so, just feel good about the fact that you and a provider share some very high-quality time for whatever reasons, wherever whenever and for however long. you'll both know the reasons why. i don't care what people say - love and sex will always be inextricably intertwined. I was trying to type this out myself but it never came out as eloquently as this. Sex, lust and love are all branches on the same tree and we use them to climb higher when we meet someone we feel we connect with. In an age full of cynics and non-believers when we connect with someone and we "fall for them" even if it was just in that moment, we should embrace it. We are all wise enough to know that it doesn't always come to fruition but when the real thing happens things will fall into place. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 1, 2012 how do you know he didn't pay? this means you'd be okay with him being there as long as he leaves an envelope? now that IS weird. Him being there at all paying or not and Her not telling me is a deal breaker! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
