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Question about references via providers

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So I must know, why is it that some providers will not offer references for thier clients? Minus the obvious answer of being a b*@ch, theres got to some other valid reason. Right? Also I must add, if its not obvious I am more than glad to give any of youd ladies a referral for someone who is in my good standings ;)

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Some are jealous, some don't even keep tract of who they have seen, and some are b*tches (like you said).

I think that keeping each other safe is pertinent. This business is not about jealousy, it's about variety! ;)

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Some are jealous, some don't even keep tract of who they have seen, and some are b*tches (like you said).

I think that keeping each other safe is pertinent. This business is not about jealousy, it's about variety! ;)

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Guys are gona be guys, & its deffinitely about variety!

The only real support we have as working ladies (other than some VERY SWEET clients) is each other!

ANY lady, weather we get along or don't can ALWAYS call me for a refrence. You can call me email me text me have the guy call me whatever you like. To me OUR SAFETY is worth a few minutes of my day. I'm a firm believer in treating others how you'd like to be treated!

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I wish I could answer you, but being a provider who almost always (except for a few weeks ago lol) provides prompt references, I can't. I do know what you are talking about though.

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Ladies I know some of you are wonderful about giving references and I very much appreciate it! I have been able to answer all but one reference request and still feel bad about the one. We might not know eachother but should put others safety first.

As for providers that don't, I'm not sure why? Jealousy in this business is silly. And actually I have recommended ladies to clients who ask. I might not know you but I am aware of your reputation. If I can't see the client, I would rather him have a good experience, or at least the chance of one, then send him packing to the wolves!

If anyone wants a reference give me a call, text or send a message and I will get back to you asap. Safe fun is the nature of this for us all.

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LADIES: if you have a gentleman that is using me as a reference, please do not contact me. Please have the gentleman in question make contact with me and as soon as I have spoken with him and I am 100% positive that I know who he is, I will contact you and let you know that he is good to go. Thank you for your understanding!

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I will provide a reference anytime that I happen to have my phone on me. There are times that I'm not posted and throw my (escort phone) in my glove box and put my fantasy life away for a few days or even weeks. That is the only time I may not get back to someone. A good friend once told me, "If it's ok to cheat on your wife, it's okay to cheat on your hooker."

Jealousy? what for? there's plenty of money and penis to go around folks.

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LADIES: if you have a gentleman that is using me as a reference, please do not contact me. Please have the gentleman in question make contact with me and as soon as I have spoken with him and I am 100% positive that I know who he is, I will contact you and let you know that he is good to go. Thank you for your understanding!

I still don't understand, you expect providers to use your system but you don't seem at all willing to return the favor. It seems a little unfair to everyone involved to have it Destiny's way or no way.

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Being a bitch is a pretty good reason, wouldn't you say. Truth be told its nobody business why they don't just move on.

P411 there's your answer.

lilithia

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I always make it clear to ALL GENTLEMAN & LADIES that ANYONE can use me as a refrence, anyway you like;)But thats the kind of person I am. I am willing to help anyone out...even if it takes a little time to figure weather I've seen the gentleman or not, In hopes there are others that care about US, and yes we are an US! In fact I have & will continue to give refrences to ladies which had not dobe the same for me:(

When a client gives me a refrence I do not care to use, I simply tell them I cannot use that lady as a refrence. Point being, there are enough of you wonderful ladies out there who are willing to do all you can to help each other, and this thread prooves it!:) One person is not going to break us, if a guy REALLY wants to see you, he'll find a way. We ALL know this!;)

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Originally Posted by Destiny

LADIES: if you have a gentleman that is using me as a reference, please do not contact me. Please have the gentleman in question make contact with me and as soon as I have spoken with him and I am 100% positive that I know who he is, I will contact you and let you know that he is good to go. Thank you for your understanding!

Originally Posted by luce kytten

I still don't understand, you expect providers to use your system but you don't seem at all willing to return the favor. It seems a little unfair to everyone involved to have it Destiny's way or no way.

Sorry to say this , but I have had guys try " Destiny's way " & they told me that she never called them back & is there another way to screen them . If I hadn't used my computer skills to make sure they were who they were I might have lost business.

I am not trying to say it's bad but All the other girls seem to have the same system when contacting other girls for referrals .Which seem to be working well right now.

But if Anyone Needs my Help I am Always Willing To Help Just Call Me.

Busty Monica

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Yes, P411 really is your best bet in getting thru tge door quickly...lol.

I have Always been referral friendly, and I will Always but Safety above anything else.

The best part of being referral friendly, IMO, is getting to chat with a Provider for a few min and developing ties. There are ALOT of Fantastic Providers who are Low Key, really don't partake of the boards , and keep a Low Profile, like myself. I greatly enjoy chatting with them when they call.

I do inform Gentlemen who do use a Lady who required them to contact them first. Generally they are able to be screened by other means. I

To the Fantastic Ladies who have taken the time to return my call and to those Fantastic Ladies who have called me....Mahalo nui loa!!!!

Aloha

Heidi

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I cannot think of a good reason a lady would not give a reference. I am always available to give one. I don't care if we do not get a long, please call me or e mail. Safety is most important.

There have been a few occasions where I did not remember the guy and have asked the lady to have the guy call me to refresh my memory. 99% of the time the guy calls me and he's good to go....but when they don't call it means I probably have never seen him.

As for not wanting to share....Please this is 31 flavors and guys like a variety.

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LADIES: if you have a gentleman that is using me as a reference, please do not contact me. Please have the gentleman in question make contact with me and as soon as I have spoken with him and I am 100% positive that I know who he is, I will contact you and let you know that he is good to go. Thank you for your understanding!

As a client, I appreciate the fact that you have a policy that makes it difficult for my SO to call you pretending to be a provider and easily get conformation about my activities.

Doing 411's for free, I see situations where someone is complaining like this, "If that 411 guy would just get off his lazy ass and finish these 411's I can get to scheduling appointments." This is very similar to you being called a "bitch" for not responding fast enough to reference requests and adding some minor procedural polices to the process, so that other providers can get to scheduling appointments.

This is a situation where the providers who want the references are being inconsiderate to the provider giving the reference. They don't consider situations when a significant number of references are going out, but very few come back. They haven't seen where references can go wrong and have policies that protect themselves without considering some of the impacts to thier customers.

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My circle of friends is limited enough that I will remember you.

I respect the fact that it can be tricky for the ladies in our ranks that have been caring for the gentlemen far longer than I have.

Ladies, contact me anytime. I will always do my very best to be timely in my reply. I want you safe and I want to know if anyone unsafe has you on their radar.

Gentlemen, I wish you all the adventures your heart desires. Never hesitate to allow me the pleasure of furthering your sexual education with whomever you fancy.

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I still don't understand, you expect providers to use your system but you don't seem at all willing to return the favor. It seems a little unfair to everyone involved to have it Destiny's way or no way.

Well geez! You don't have to act like a [snip] about it! You have it mixed up though, I don't EXPECT anybody to use my system. It's very simple. If a guy wants a reference from me, he will have to contact me and ask me to call the provider that he seeks the reference for. And I would like it to be noted, that I NEVER bother any other ASP for references.:rolleyes:

Being on how you came across all mean and shit, I do not feel that I should have to explain to you why I do things the way that I do them. So let me explain for the other, more courteous, that are interested in knowing why I do things the way that I do them.

One time, many years ago when I was fairly new to the business a lady called me and asked me for a reference on so-and-so. I gave her an okay, telling her that I had seen him only to receive a phone call the next day from the client in question telling me that was his wife that called me. Needless to say, I got him in trouble. Also needless to say, I felt horrible about the situation and that's when I changed things.

I do not feel it my task or duty to make sure that the lady calling me is who she says she is. I do not even feel it my duty to provide ANYBODY with a reference. So, from my perspective, I AM providing those clients that have seen me and are in my good standing a courtesy that I do not owe them.

Back to luce kytten: I don't get all bitchy at you, questioning you on how you run your business, so I expect the same from you. I do not have to meet your expectations or do what YOU think is the right thing for ME to do. We do not have to see eye to eye on things, but don't act like a bitch unless you wanted to get treated like one.:rolleyes:

That's enough for me.

P.S. I have a very simple solution to propose to the reference dilemma: everybody get on preferred 411.

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Thank you Nusa:) And amen!

As a client, I appreciate the fact that you have a policy that makes it difficult for my SO to call you pretending to be a provider and easily get conformation about my activities.

Doing 411's for free, I see situations where someone is complaining like this, "If that 411 guy would just get off his lazy ass and finish these 411's I can get to scheduling appointments." This is very similar to you being called a "bitch" for not responding fast enough to reference requests and adding some minor procedural polices to the process, so that other providers can get to scheduling appointments.

This is a situation where the providers who want the references are being inconsiderate to the provider giving the reference. They don't consider situations when a significant number of references are going out, but very few come back. They haven't seen where references can go wrong and have policies that protect themselves without considering some of the impacts to thier customers.

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Sorry to say this , but I have had guys try " Destiny's way " & they told me that she never called them back & is there another way to screen them .

No, you're not sorry to say this or you wouldn't have said it...

So, just because he said it, that means it's true?

That is all hearsay anyway, and if you have ever watched Judge Judy, you understand that hearsay cannot be entered into one's statement. It's not credible. And furthermore, that statement is bullshit. You can believe what you want to believe Monica, but me and the guys know the truth, so whatever. Why would I not provide a reference? Do I want the guy to never come see me again? I think not. Obviously I would want to keep it friendly with my clients that see me regularly therefore I I would HAPPILY (and do happily) provide him/them with a reference to any lady he wants to see. Apparently, common sense isn't so common after all.:rolleyes:

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Truth be told its nobody business why they don't

DING DING DING! We have a winner....

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My circle of friends is limited enough that I will remember you.

I respect the fact that it can be tricky for the ladies in our ranks that have been caring for the gentlemen far longer than I have.

Ladies, contact me anytime. I will always do my very best to be timely in my reply. I want you safe and I want to know if anyone unsafe has you on their radar.

Gentlemen, I wish you all the adventures your heart desires. Never hesitate to allow me the pleasure of furthering your sexual education with whomever you fancy.

The Maid,

continuing to set the standard of class and graciousness here on t.o.b.

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Destiny> You make a very valid point, and I was always curious to your ways, and your ways completly make sense to me and have complete validity, as if you needed confirmation on your ways, ha!

Yes, P411 is a savior, but that shit cost money for men, so I can understand why all dont have one! God, if life was a dream....

And to all the ladies, thanks so much for your input, it atleast leads me to the ladies that will give me references.

And if you dont think a girl should give references at all, get the fuck off this post Ava posted or tell us why, lol.

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Destiny> You make a very valid point, and I was always curious to your ways, and your ways completly make sense to me and have complete validity, as if you needed confirmation on your ways, ha!

Yes, P411 is a savior, but that shit cost money for men, so I can understand why all dont have one! God, if life was a dream....

And to all the ladies, thanks so much for your input, it atleast leads me to the ladies that will give me references.

And if you dont think a girl should give references at all, get the fuck off this post Ava posted or tell us why, lol.

Amen Scar!!!

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I provide references for ladies. However, I think a simple "thank you" after the reference is provided is nice. I recently got a request from someone involved with this thread for a ref and not only did she not show any gratitude she didn't have the common courtesy to return my reference request a couple of days later. Behavior like that grinds my gears, so I understand some girls wanting to mix up the way they help others screen. If you don't like it don't accept references from that provider, find a new way to screen or move the eff on.

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I'm not sure why people are fussing about this. Everyone is free to do what they wish, weather its right or wrong. To each there own. I don't mind taking the time to help out another working lady, & researching her & the gentleman in question. While most girls are cool about this, & all love u all for it, some are not, who cares. Get over it & move on. Thays life...theres good, bad & ugly in all we do. Seriously do one or two people REALLY affect your bussiness? Thy sure don't affect mine.

When I get a referal for a provider I know has issues giving refrences I usually tell the gentleman I don't accept refrences from that particular provider. Case closed. They usually provide another refrence or call back some time later with an aceptable refrence.

I honestly would NEVER even want a refrence from a provider who has issues giving them. Its hard to tell what her real motives are, and people can be crazy! I would be scared to accept a refrence from someonwe like that.:confused:

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I provide references for ladies. However, I think a simple "thank you" after the reference is provided is nice. I recently got a request from someone involved with this thread for a ref and not only did she not show any gratitude she didn't have the common courtesy to return my reference request a couple of days later. Behavior like that grinds my gears, so I understand some girls wanting to mix up the way they help others screen. If you don't like it don't accept references from that provider, find a new way to screen or move the eff on.

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I 'm guilty. By the time I had time to reply back it was the next day and I thought you wouldn't even know what I was saying thank you about. But sincerely, thank you Mona! Next time even if its a day later I will reply :)

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talk about calling the kettle black. on yeah, said one bitch to another

lol

lilithia

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So I must know, why is it that some providers will not offer references for thier clients? Minus the obvious answer of being a b*@ch, theres got to some other valid reason. Right? Also I must add, if its not obvious I am more than glad to give any of youd ladies a referral for someone who is in my good standings ;)

My suggestion, as unpopular as it may be, is to find a system that does not rely on strictly on goodwill. P411 does this, but the reason it's not working in this case is because clients that only take a small number of appointments are not going to spend nearly the cost of one full appointment simply to handle screening.

While a cheaper P411 option might help with this part of the market. Finding ways to give the provider who has the reference an incentitive for being responsive and accessable might loosen up the reference logjam. Perhaps being able to buy advertising credit for another provider would allow for quicker refferals. In other words, the ladies sell time and if you want some of her time, consider paying for it. That's what clients have to do.

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]So I must know' date=' why is it that some providers will not offer references for thier clients? Minus the obvious answer of being a b*@ch[/b'], theres got to some other valid reason. Right? Also I must add, if its not obvious I am more than glad to give any of youd ladies a referral for someone who is in my good standings ;)

I don't give references to other man whores! call me a bitch if you want

but my clients are just that, MINE! I don't share clients.:D

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