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Good news. After the changes go into place on P411 in January, even non-P411 providers will be able to view your P411 profile and Okays (if you give them access to view it). Whether they will accept the information is another matter of course, but it's a step in the right direction I think Always, Gina

This is true... and please be aware the "rule" is in place for the client's own security, and for the safety of the providers. If you are a client giving out your client id and and sending screenshots of your P411 account to every interesting ad out there, you could be very easily sending your information to a "collector". Which is typically some guy posting fake ads trying to get his hands on Active P411 client ids. The "collector" then uses that active client id to manipulate providers not on P411 (or providers on P411 who don't keep their screening tight) into meeting with him, to be ripped off or even worse. The bad guy is then pinpointed as being the P411 client who initially gave out his client id incorrectly. Always, Gina

The process will remain the same in 2019 xo Always, Gina

Yes, posting the P411 link is fine from our standpoint To the general public (non-P411 Members), the link will show the provider's name and contact info, and that she is an Active P411 provider. Of course members see additional info, and I just ask that screenshots of member info are not posted publicly. Public View (they just have to click to view her contact info): Thanks for the caution, and please remember I'm always around if anyone has any questions! Always, Gina

If you would like a full refund, please contact P411 support and say "Gina approved a full refund on TOB".... and it shall be done. However, if the screening agents have decided you need references to be approved, that's the final verdict. Always, Gina

I find bitcoin very interesting, and while it's a bit of a pain in the butt, it's interesting. Although I've never used this method, you can purchase bitcoin anonymously through the following site, which is a little bit like ebay for bitcoin: https://localbitcoins.com/ I think the most "anonymous"" way to purchase them, is to meet someone at a Starbucks and do the transfer that way (into an anonymous wallet), but like anything it's not 100% failproof (in multiple ways). The fluctuation in price can go either way.... I collected a bunch of bitcoin when it was around $380, and now it's worth about $600. So the fluctuation really isn't anything to totally freak out about, unless you are just buying exactly the amount of bitcoin you need to make a single purchase. I hold an amount, more for shits and giggles than anything else, and to see what happens. Always, Gina

Jeepers, time flies. The law was passed in December 2014, not this last December!

My personal opinion is that this type of law (legal to sell sex, illegal to purchase sex) is just a sham to appease the voters, while giving LE a strong option to turn their heads when consensual paid sex is occurring. After all, no client will be arrested for paying for sex with a legitimate, well established provider because it occurs behind closed doors. Providers wouldn't have any reason to "work with LE" because they aren't doing anything illegal. I really think it's just a farce and there will be absolutely no push to arrest clients in the countries that pass these laws. They are only in place to make the government appear as though they do not approve, while making it easy for the activities to continue unfettered between consenting adults. Canada passed a similar law last December, and the fallout is unseen. There have been NO sweeping arrests of clients.... and providers continue to work without fear of arrest. Always, Gina

I will always say that while we do the best we can to verify that everyone on P411 is a legitimate member of the community, with no intent to cause harm, our methods are not foolproof. P411 is only intended to be used as one tool in the verification process. Please do as much additional screening and research as you feel is necessary, to keep yourself safe. Always, Gina

We're working on it, we really f*cked things up with this update and are working to roll it back. Sorry for the trouble! Always, Gina

We were experiencing some DNS issues that now appear to rectified. Fingers crossed! Thanks for your patience. Always, Gina

OMG I almost totally forgot about that old board, The UDB (Unmoderated Denver Board). Hahaha how funny to think that I thought there could be an "unmoderated" board that wouldn't turn into a shitpile. Me, I found EscortAmerica and Decadent City in 1997, moved over to SoWet when Decadent City went poof. Started up the UDB after my fall out with RT, gave up on the UDB idea and helped T.O. get TOB started in 1999 (I think). Ahh, memories...... it's funny to think back and remember how tiny the online escort community was back then, even nationwide. Always, Gina

Obviously someone in California is using stolen photos, some of which were the same photos that Victoria was using on BP. I'm not sure where the connection is that it's the same person behind the photos though.... please let me know if I'm missing something. But I see totally different contact information being used, in completely different states, which would indicate two different people using the same set of photos. Also, please note that for a provider to have an account on P411, she has to submit identification for age verification. Take what you will from that information. Always, Gina

Please be aware that LE requires that discussion (rates/services) to take place in person, otherwise they will have no case. Contrary to popular belief, LE will never attempt to have the rates/service discussion during the booking process. They know that doing so will usually spook their target, and they need that face to face contact to have a solid case anyway. Also, there is nothing illegal about SELLING TIME, and there is nothing to fear from discussing your rates for your time.... particularly if that discussion is done via email, text or telephone. After all, it's pretty hard to prove who's fingers do the typing, or who's voice is at the other end of the line. Always, Gina

The BP photos are stolen, the P411 photos are legitimate (imo). Sometimes there is a bit of a learning curve, I wouldn't throw her into the fire just yet. Time will tell! Always, Gina

I know that I've never said that all LE activity is a waste of money. However, I do feel that spending money to arrest a whole bunch of people for prostitution, when the real goal is to find victims of pimps and human trafficking, is ridiculous. It actually is possible for LE to focus on the true criminals of the industry, without criminalizing the entire industry of prostitution. In fact, if they turned their focus directly to human trafficking (instead of on prostitution) they would probably have much better success, since the participants in the community (namely providers) would feel much more comfortable going to the authorities when confronted by pimps or being aware of possible human trafficking.

I haven't seen anyone suggest there there are no true victims of human trafficking, and I'm pretty sure that no one has ever said that no resources should be devoted to the true victims. However, I (and many others, and probably including you) feel that there is a major problem when 100% of the resources goes towards casting a huge net, that for the most part traps grown women who are making their own choices regarding their sex lives. That they are able to ferret out a handful of "victims" (I put it in quotes, because the true victims are only a percentage of the "victims") from casting such a wide net is NOT OKAY. It is actually possible to deal with pimping and human trafficking, without prostitution itself being illegal. Here in Canada they have been doing a bang-up job arresting pimps while leaving the providers alone (it's still legal to sell sex!), even since the law changed in December. I agree that we should be self policing. I agree that we should care more about our fellow human beings. I also think that if commercial sex was ever legalized, there should be a minimum age of 25 years placed on it. Jumping up and down pointing fingers at one another is pointless. We are all different, we all have different perspectives, and we all have different opinions. But the majority of us wish no harm on another person. We just want to be able to live our lives, having sex with whomever we choose for whatever reason we choose. Otherwise, we are not free.

I'm quite certain that no one is defending actual trafficking that does occur in this industry. However, when you are talking about native-born Independent providers, who are well above the age of majority, the percentage of actual trafficking instances are extremely small. Personally, I'm pissed off to no end that adult women, having made a choice based on their own free will, are being labeled "victims" and legally persecuted if they don't fly the banner of the paternalist and religious forces that wish to control women and their sexual choices. This "human trafficking" band wagon parades (usually young immigrant) women out as though they are morons incapable of making a decision on their own, and the general public eats it up like it's dinner. If they are truly victims, then that should be dealt with accordingly, but let's not forget just how good that T-visa sounds to these women too. They do have a brain, after all. Of course there are some awful things that go on in this industry. There are laws that cover assault, kidnapping, larceny, hostage taking, sexual abuse, pimping, etc. and they should most certainly be put into play when there are abuses occurring. However, to label ALL (or most) providers as victims of human trafficking is ridiculous, and to arrest and prosecute them unless they march to that drum, even more so. The reality is that the vast majority of providers targeted and affected by this ongoing crusade are NOT victims of human trafficking, even if some of them use that story as a tactic to get out of whatever trouble they might find themselves when caught up in a sting. I've been there myself, and lied my way out of more than one sticky situation by playing the sweet little Miss Innocent. The waters are very muddy. I would suggest that if our community were able to come out from the shadows legally, more of us would be willing to report situations where we suspect abuses are going on. And while the clients might be so depraved that they would have sex with anyone who seems to be a willing participant, it's unlikely another provider would overlook a similar situation IF she could feel confident that she wouldn't find herself in hot water for shining a light on herself by sharing what she knows. All people in this industry, regardless of their circumstance, deserves to be safe and respected. Providers can be "rescued" from situations if need be, without criminalizing the activities of those who do not need rescuing.

I love how you take it upon yourself to act as judge and jury in these matters, even though they haven't even been before the courts yet (as far as I know). There's something really funny about where your head is at..... just saying. Always, Gina

I don't think it was bad judgment at all, I wouldn't worry about it. This has been blasted all over the media in the NW and Im sure that more than a few hundred do-gooders are also looky-loos (checking out the site being reported on). So the FBI getting the IP addresses of hundreds/thousands of random people hitting the site means nothing. What could they possibly do with those Ips? It's not illegal to visit any site, their resources are limited, and the sky is NOT falling... Always, Gina

Love this synopsis, very astute observations, make sure you watch it through. https://youtu.be/Bz3crgtcHwY

I few things I'd like to point out: Sites being "taken down" has been going on since the beginning of the internet. A major incident happens approximately once per year (a la Escorts.com or Redbook), and the only questions are when and who is next. TRB was a very old and well established site. Since I was a Canadian (Vancouver) provider traveling to/through Seattle regularly I was also a part of that community back in 2000-2001. They held very lavish and well attended parties (I attended too!) at high end hotels back then, and as far as I know continued with these parties through to today. I don't know what else TRB was involved in, but if you've been around any length of time you know that parties are always a really bad idea. Human trafficking is a sad reality in this business, although in my opinion that percentage is quite small. One thing that skews the numbers is the fact that any provider who has immigration issues and is faced with an arrest MUST claim that she is being trafficked. There a visa available to her if she does (http://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/victims-human-trafficking-other-crimes/victims-human-trafficking-t-nonimmigrant-status), and if she doesn't she will be deported. P411 is a Canadian owned and operated company. We have to follow the laws of Canada, not the laws of the US.... which we do. We also pay 100% of the taxes we owe, always have and always will (I learned that from the Heidi Fleiss story!). It is very simple to become an anonymous member of the site (2 provider references) and we have anonymous payment methods as well. If you are still concerned about the FBI seizing the database and somehow figuring out who you are, please remember that there's nothing illegal about being a member of P411, just as there is nothing illegal about being a member of TOB or any other site. However, if you are found to be committing a crime in your jurisdiction regardless of what sites you are a member of, you would then have something to be concerned about. We have had a few client accounts compromised (always the human error or "gotta save my ass!" method), and providers have been targeted through those compromised client accounts. We've been in business for nearly 11 years, and there have been 9 client accounts used to bust providers. There's bound to be more in the future, but when you take the numbers into consideration, the percentage of legal problems is very low. What I'm very happy to say is that the percentage of providers being physically harmed by clients on P411 is almost zero. We have only had a single credible report of an assault. That provider decided to report him to the authorities and he was dealt with accordingly. Also, there have been multiple times that I've become aware of situations that gave me serious concern about the legal age of the provider and/or legitimate human trafficking abuses. If I have those concerns, I have absolutely no problem reporting them. I have done it in the past, and I will continue to do it in the future. I'm happy to be in a position where I can feel safe reporting this type of concern, and I've always been treated with respect when doing so. Nothing in life is certain, and nothing in this industry is certain either. However, I'm prepared to deal with whatever comes my way and in the end my loyalty will always lie with this community. I'm not some dummy who would pee in her panties should someone come knocking on my door, trust that. Stay safe out there. Always, Gina

Iinteresting you bring that up! Why not also mention that you were one of the providers that facilitated that compromised account in Denver in 2013, that resulted in the FBI causing a great deal of damage in the community? I think you owe some people an apology (namely the providers you helped get busted) before you go slinging mud around and pontificating like you are also a reliable source of anything. While I always thought that you were just used as a pawn, I now wonder exactly what you are up to. Oh and btw, we always encouraged providers to do as much additional screening as they felt was necessary to keep themselves safe. I can find you posts from 10 years ago where I say that, over and over again. Aways, Gina

You are sharing old information (2013) that the community is fully aware of, and do know that I posted about the situation the moment I became aware of it, which was prior to it hitting the media. So this makes you appear to be a troll, just trying to still up a little drama. Unfortunately, a few P411 accounts have been compromised and used to cause problems for providers in the past, and will probably be used in the future as well. The good news is that there has never been an incident where a P411 account was used to cause any sort of legal problem for a client. Not once, not anywhere, never in the 10+ years of operation. The bad news is that providers have been targeted each of the 8-9 times it's happened. Of course, if you aren't comfortable with being a member of P411 for any reason at all, that's perfectly fine. You, alone, are responsible for taking care of yourself, and there are no guarantees to be had when dabbling in this hobby. P411 is here to help you mitigate your risks, and we do the very best we can to keep the members of our community safe from all types of harm. That doesn't mean we're perfect though, and it's important that everyone realize that P411 is not the end all and be all of verification. P411 is only intended to be used as one tool in the verification process. Please do as much additional screening and research as you feel is necessary, to keep yourself safe. Always, Gina