Mike

I have to give the guy props for showing up to tell you in person about what happened. And I'm sure you were gracious enough to let him immediately go back to searching for his wallet! I'm guess he must have lost his phone too, or he could have just texted you. If it happened to me, I would just text the YL in question to let her know I was running late, but if I found it within the hour, I'd stop by to drop off her donation and spend any time left of our appointment together. Otherwise, I would make arrangements to get the donation to her at her convenience.

Physical Therapy...

I'd be suspicious if a lady wanted a prepaid card instead of cash. While there may be come convenience factors in favor of them over cash for some, there are also major drawbacks. --Obvious scam of asking for the numbers beforehand --Danger of John buying the card and draining it before the appointment so the YL is left with an empty card --Danger of John giving the full card at start of appointment, so it passes any verification done by the YL, but the John kept a copy of the numbers and drains it quickly right after, or makes a fraud claim with his credit card, which will lead to the prepaid card getting frozen. --Danger of YL getting a good card, draining it, then going back to the John and claiming he gave her an empty card. --Danger of John and YL both acting in good faith, but an unrelated scammer skimming card numbers from the Point of Sale, or putting fake prepaids into the packaging at the store and stealing the $$ that the John loaded, while the YL then assumes the John scammed her and he assumes she is scamming him when she tells him it was empty. There's just too many pitfalls that don't happen with cash to make it seem like a good idea for either side.

My take: I unfortunately no longer have my p411 account. I was always an infrequent hobbyist, so my habit was to let my p411 expire and see regulars until I actually needed it again. Had bad timing to be on the off part of the on-again, off-again cycle when the changes hit. So now to provide screening means you'll have to contact a lady I've seen recently (and since I am an infrequent hobbyist, that list is short). So I do not want to provide screening info before I know the hourly rates. I don't want my references to have to field unnecessary calls! There is also the idea for guys that we don't want to give out screening info if there's no chance of a date. The more people who have the info, the more risk. That said, the proper response for a gentleman is not vitriol. It is either a polite explanation of why he wants to know rates first, or a simple "Sorry we couldn't work something out, have a great day"

I'm considering getting a local hotel for a night to be able to provide an outcall location. Does anyone know of hotels in Denver that have an in room hot tub? If I get a room locally, I'd like a reason to stay after the appointment, and relaxing in a hot tub watching a movie is something I can't get at home. Might also be fun to start a session with a provider by relaxing in a private Jacuzzi and exchanging backrubs. However, I'm finding that searching online for this is tricky. I've had luck before with the Northglenn Ramada, but wondering if anyone knew of a place more in the downtown/South Denver area?

Gorgeous eyes and smile do it for me...

If you use the Review Search feature on this website, you can find some. Unfortunately, the "Location" field at the top is not very granular--you can choose between Colorado Springs, Denver, or Fort Collins. Want to separate DTC vs. Downtown vs. North Denver? Sorry. A work-around is to put your search term in the session description box. Some of the reviewers will note a more specific location in their description, it's not 100%, but it helps. Just be sure to note whether the review is for incall or outcall, and if using a generic search for 'downtown' rather than 'Northglenn', check to make sure you're looking at a review from downtown Denver, not Downtown Seattle (I've forgotten to narrow down the Location field first before...)

If a lady advertises a special, but doesn't post what it is, I won't call/email/text for details (the 'never discuss rates' is too ingrained). I might make an exception for a YL that I have seen multiple times, but if I like them that much, I'm willing to pay their normal rate... When I encounter the different rates on ToB vs. P411 scenario, I'll assume the YL is okay with either. When I contact her, I will reference the site that listed the lower rate, so that her expectation is that I'm going by that rate but I won't discuss the rate (see above).

Agree that that particular question justifiably gets you blacklisted. It would be the same for me if I ever saw an ad where the YL advertised offering BBFS--I would put her on a NEVER see list. The hobby is never 100% safe, but if someone self-identifies as being reckless, you should heed their warning. And yes, asking if a lady offers BBFS counts. Only two reasons to ask the question: 1. You have done/want to/will do it, making you a much more risky partner. 2. You ask because you are trying to screen out any YL who would agree to it...which is idiotic because they will assume you're in group #1.

This thread is making me want to schedule a session soon... One roleplay I've wanted to try for awhile and finally had the chance with a lady recently: --We are a pair of colleagues from work that are attending a conference. There was some kind of mix-up with the travel arrangements and only one room was booked. The hotel is full because of the conference. She is looking good in business wear (I had a shirt and tie, but not a full suit--sorry Samatha). I can't resist when she starts to seduce me. Somewhere along the way she lets slip that the hotel didn't mess up, she had arranged it all! We had a lot of fun with that one. I've had that scenario in my p411 profile for awhile hoping someone would pick up on it. Guess I need to be less subtle about requests...or find a local lady who enjoys roleplays.

Sorry to hear about your troubles with the jerks Trystin. Wish all of us could just set up a meeting efficiently, show up on time, and have fun. At the risk of becoming dogmeat, I will offer a suggestion. Figure out what is the biggest pain point about your business right now. Brainstorm some ways to fix it. Implement the one that seems most promising. Feel free to involve others in this process. For example, it sounds like the current pain point is talking to jerks on the phone. Trial solution could be to stop answering your hobby phone, compose an outgoing message that tells guys how to contact you instead and see how things go. Different example, if the pain point was being swamped with emails from guys who don't read your ad or ask inappropriate questions. Start instructing men in your ad to put a specific word/phrase in the subject of their email. Create an email filter to pull all those messages into a separate list that you give high priority. Don't spend much/any time reading the rest.

I find that I can only indulge in this hobby every 1-2 months due to budget. I don't like the idea of asking the ladies I have seen to have to take time out of their day to give me a reference. Plus it could be several months since I've seen them, especially if I've been repeating with a lady--the second reference will be even older. On the other hand, I was told early on about p411 and I'm up to 17 OKs over the last 4 years. My habit is to make a polite request via p411 when I want to see someone. This has worked well for me so far. I don't know if I'm doing something wrong by not giving the last couple women I've seen a heads up that someone may contact them.

I never touch the subject of price, even if I have seen the provider before. I always begin requests through p411, so I assume they would expect me to use the p411 price. If I see a lower price on TOB or on their personal site, I will book through p411, but mention how I liked their ad on TOB/personal webpage/etc. That way they know to expect the price from that source. I've never had one of the ladies complain about the donation amount--well, it did happen once, but that was because I miscounted on the twenties, not from a pricing standpoint.

I normally use TOB and p411. TOB for the ads to find someone, and p411 to book. I hobby less than once a month so don't feel like I should be relying on references. p411 solves that for me. I do sometimes look at TER reviews. I don't have access to full reviews, but if someone doesn't have TOB reviews, or very few, then just seeing that they have reviews elsewhere helps show they are legit.

Thought I would chime in since I have a lot of experience with prepaid Visa/MC (another reason people use them is to earn cash back/miles on their credit card--buy from a grocery store or pharmacy if you have a card that gives bonus points at those locations, then use the prepaids at other stores, or to pay utility bills online). I also followed forums dedicated to maximizing airline miles or cashback by buying and liquidating prepaids. Bottom line is that prepaids are not foolproof. There are ways the client can be scammed and end up buying a dead card without knowing it. And there are ways a dishonest client can give you what appears to be a prepaid with the correct amount, but still leave you with $0. I could explain them, but this is a public forum and I don't want to provide a step by step guide on how to scam the ladies. If there are ladies that do use prepaids, I can provide more details on the scams and how to avoid them via PM.